Does anyone know why Ford deleted wireless charging for S650 MY25?

[ShadowCoyote]

Probably because it just makes phones really hot.

Wireless charging in modern cars is a scam, change my mind

I won’t change your mind. It’s as gimmicky as ventilated seats.

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[DT-GT]

Very similar. Both can warm things.

And some of the wireless chargers that you can buy that have the little coolers to defeat the heating uses the same technology for cooling.
I won’t change your mind. It’s as gimmicky as ventilated seats.
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[jeffnudi]

As far as the complaints about wireless charging go - people need to understand that inductive charging is never going to be as fast as corded charging. On average its about 15% slower. And some heat is an expected by-product of the induction process due to the coils that are used.

So if your phone is dead or low on battery, you should always plug it in anway. Wireless wasn't meant to be a replacement in that regard. It's a convenience feature that keeps your phone charged simply by setting it down. I think thats a great feature inside a car. Most issues with wireless charging are due to older phones and thick or bulky phone cases.

I have an iPhone 16 Pro and no case. The charger in my 2024 EcoBoost Premium sucks. It may be that the protruding lens assembly keeps the phone from resting flat on the pad, and I may one day try to reshape the pad surface to correct for that. However, it isn't that big a deal. If I have 100% charge when I start the day, I can use it to play music wirelessly all day and still have plenty of charge at the end of the trip. Even though I have it, I don't have a problem not using it.

 

[MustangMitch69]

I'm one of the few that is really happy with the wireless charger. Works like a charm.

Same here, mine works great. Don't have to plug an annoying charging cable in and out of my phone's charging port every time I drive, and the wireless pad keeps my phone charged for 2+ hour drives while it runs both the Waze app and internet radio from my phone.

I'm shocked that the 25's cost more than the 24's yet they lack wireless charging.

 

[MustangMitch69]

To bad they didn't replace it with front parking sensors...
of all the years cars have had them & all my past cars..but don't get me started..

Whats funny is my '24 comes with adaptive cruise control. So it can literally detect cars in front if it and their distance, but for some reason CAN'T detect a wall 1 foot on front of it. How does that make sense?

 

[DT-GT]

Because Ford was stupid and did not program the radar, which is already there, to provide alerts. Just dumb! Especially for a Mustang!

Whats funny is my '24 comes with adaptive cruise control. So it can literally detect cars in front if it and their distance, but for some reason CAN'T detect a wall 1 foot on front of it. How does that make sense?

 

[Clawfford]

I'm using THIS in my 2025:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BXKW2XR7?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

(That's a "Sanmido" brand wireless charger on Amazon, if my link doesn't work for you. I liked the position of the wire at the center of the long edge, and the circuit board in the cable to help keep the whole unit cooler, supposedly).

It fits well in the Mustang's USB nook, and I can stuff the extra wiring through the gap at the top of the nook/bottom of the dash. Not much loose wiring visible this way.

The charging mat needs to be double-sided taped down, optimally. It's nice and sticky rubber to keep your phone from sliding. Only one teeny-tiny light to indicate power, so I never worry about drain while the car is off. (I honestly never bothered to look if the light remains on then or not).

I have an old iPhone XS Max with a case. It charges as fast as it does on any other wireless charging pad (while still running my navigation and music through Carplay). Which is to say it's not as fast as directly plugging it in via a wire. But it DOES charge.

No more heat than I normally get, which is never much more than "warmth". Though I'm under the impression that iPhones don't suffer that issue nearly as much as other brands. (Based on everyone else in my family complaining about their non-iPhones overheating and batteries swelling all the time. I've never had that problem. Your mileage may vary).

 

[Skye]

I've been studying proximity sensors, induction coupling and parasitic losses. It's what all the cool kids do.

In the center console of the S550 and the S650 is an induction coupling mechanism. It's there to power the in-fob key in-case the fob's battery dies. The backup portal. Also used to program additional fobs.

The powered coupler induces a current and voltage across the physical key in the fob, which has a really small, internal transformer and chipset; this causes the key to transmit the root security code so the car can then be started. When using a fob with a working fob battery, the fob generates a new, root-derived code each time it is used.

The backup portal was designed to support the fob. But the charging pads discussed in this thread, present in other makes and models, are not.

Sometimes, nothing happens when placing a fob on these charging pads. Other times, putting one near or on the pad prevents it from working correctly; the currents can mask the fob and the vehicle doesn't know it's there. Rivian has actually issued a TSB, telling customers not to place their fob on the pad because it could then be damaged.

I didn't research Ford, fobs and tests with their charging pads. The 2024 Owners Manual has an entire page of warnings of what not to put on the pad. While it does not mention fobs, it does RFID chipsets.

Along with other reasons posted here, I think Ford just saw the feature as a long-term hassle and removed it.

Edit,

Regarding parasitic losses...

- Body Control Module monitors the battery State of Charge while car is off

- Powertrain Control Module checks gas tank and evaporator canister pressures

- Door handles generate induction currents, so they can sense and signal a fob to wake
-- When a passing metallic object is close enough to the handle, the door's proximity sensor then sends a 125 kHz signal, a Low Frequency wake signal, to the fob (or object ). Regular passerby foot traffic with metal items in-hand or in-pocket near the car will cause the vehicle to generate the RFID signal. I haven't confirmed how long the signal is generated. I suspect as long as the electrical field is disturbed by the passer-by.

- Security system sensors, from base to option, present and on

- Telematics and OTA functions occasionally activate

- Bluetooth active, especially if the Ford phone-as-a-key function is enabled

All the above are why battery drains are not uncommon in any modern vehicle.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

My 24 has it. My wife has a phone case with a metal piece on the back. She tried to use it and the metal piece got so hot it burned her when she picked it up. I'd like to delete mine.

If this diagram is correct, you could just pull fuse #184 and disable the wireless charger.

https://www.fuseboxinfo.com/index.php/cars/28-ford/6102-ford-mustang-2025-fuses

 

[Zig]

I've been studying proximity sensors, induction coupling and parasitic losses. It's what all the cool kids do.

In the center console of the S550 and the S650 is an induction coupling mechanism. It's there to power the in-fob key in-case the fob's battery dies. The backup portal. Also used to program additional fobs.

The powered coupler induces a current and voltage across the physical key in the fob, which has a really small, internal transformer and chipset; this causes the key to transmit the root security code so the car can then be started. When using a fob with a working fob battery, the fob generates a new, root-derived code each time it is used.

The backup portal was designed to support the fob. But the charging pads discussed in this thread, present in other makes and models, are not.

Sometimes, nothing happens when placing a fob on these charging pads. Other times, putting one near or on the pad prevents it from working correctly; the currents can mask the fob and the vehicle doesn't know it's there. Rivian has actually issued a TSB, telling customers not to place their fob on the pad because it could then be damaged.

I didn't research Ford, fobs and tests with their charging pads. The 2024 Owners Manual has an entire page of warnings of what not to put on the pad. While it does not mention fobs, it does RFID chipsets.

Along with other reasons posted here, I think Ford just saw the feature as a long-term hassle and removed it.

Edit,

Regarding parasitic losses...

- Body Control Module monitors the battery State of Charge while car is off

- Powertrain Control Module checks gas tank and evaporator canister pressures

- Door handles generate induction currents, so they can sense and signal a fob to wake
-- When a passing metallic object is close enough to the handle, the door's proximity sensor then sends a 125 kHz signal, a Low Frequency wake signal, to the fob (or object ). Regular passerby foot traffic with metal items in-hand or in-pocket near the car will cause the vehicle to generate the RFID signal. I haven't confirmed how long the signal is generated. I suspect as long as the electrical field is disturbed by the passer-by.

- Security system sensors, from base to option, present and on

- Telematics and OTA functions occasionally activate

- Bluetooth active, especially if the Ford phone-as-a-key function is enabled

All the above are why battery drains are not uncommon in any modern vehicle.

Almost makes me wonder if the motion detection could play a part. Left enabled = stay awake, disabled = sleepy sleep?

 

[Skye]

Almost makes me wonder if the motion detection could play a part.

With respect to parasitic losses, yes, they would. The interior motion sensors need energy to operate. They're always on, unless deactivated by the screen menu at shutdown.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

I deactivated motion sensors. Car is garage kept and I live in a decent rural area. I also keep our key fobs on a Faraday box so the fob isn’t (possibly) always talking to the car.

My wife has a Lincoln that had issues with parasitic battery drain, and that message board suggested using the boxes to isolate the fob signal. When I get my key out of the box with the door open to the garage, it’s a circus with both cars starting up their greeting lighting…lol.

 

[Gregs24]

Because Ford was stupid and did not program the radar, which is already there, to provide alerts. Just dumb! Especially for a Mustang!

Parking sensors don't use the radar. Not stupid just a completely different system.

However Ford do use forward parking sensors on a lot of their cars so they have the parts to do it.

 

[Doug Watson]

Mine works just fine.

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