Auto StartStop

[rijndael]

Dude, you're arguing a point that has no relevance to anything were talking about besides the fact that its about timing setups.

I just think this whole line of argument is stupid. Trying to compare an old (static) timing system to a new one, which can account for the chain wear as part of the design, and how it relates to auto-start/stop wear is an unrelated tangent.

I'm still waiting for this to move past speculation. Show me the auto-start/stop wear. For now, it just seems like fearmongering.

Don't like auto-start/top? Great, I don't like it all that much either. But I'm not going to let my dislike for it transform to doom and gloom without actual evidence.

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[Cz_Ziemniak]

I just think this whole line of argument is stupid. Trying to compare an old (static) timing system to a new one, which can account for the chain wear as part of the design, and how it relates to auto-start/stop wear is an unrelated tangent.

I'm still waiting for this to move past speculation. Show me the auto-start/stop wear. For now, it just seems like fearmongering.

Don't like auto-start/top? Great, I don't like it all that much either. But I'm not going to try and let my dislike for it transform to doom and gloom without actual evidence.

--> I didn't make the comparison. In fact, I immediatly shot the comparison down, literally stating "You can't compare the two."

--> I have literally seen it first hand. Any car with long timing chains that's daily driven every day in stop and go traffic, in cities, or in suburbs and developments with more stoplights than backroads. Merecedes and Audi were by far the most common, you'd see the chains stretched between 100-200K at the pins. The metal isn't physically stretching, but the hole at the pins wears out just enough. Its a personal anecdote, but its one I'll take to my grave.

 

[rijndael]

Sounds like you don't like long chains, not necessarily long chains and auto-start/stop.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Sounds like you don't like long chains, not necessarily long chains and auto-start/stop.

I don't have a horse in this race. I'm simply arguing that the people who disable it due to concerns for increased wear have a solid reason/backing to do so.

The other guy in here is arguing that there is absolutely zero reason to turn it off besides "I dont like it", which I find to be obtuse. The fellas in here worrying about increased wear are not inherently wrong about that assumption.

I personally just don't like it, so I turn it off in all the cars I drive.

 

[Bikeman315]

Geez, 169 posts about a required system that can be defeated. Honestly some of the most ridiculous comments I’ve read in my 10 years on this forum.

So here is something that is real. My wife’s car (‘21 Volvo XC60) came up with this warning. Never knew the car had a second 12v battery for some secondary systems. But mostly for s/s. Cost to replace it, by the dealer, about $400. Now there’s something real to bitch about.

 

[Zig]

I just think this whole line of argument is stupid. Trying to compare an old (static) timing system to a new one, which can account for the chain wear as part of the design, and how it relates to auto-start/stop wear is an unrelated tangent.

I'm still waiting for this to move past speculation. Show me the auto-start/stop wear. For now, it just seems like fearmongering.

Don't like auto-start/top? Great, I don't like it all that much either. But I'm not going to let my dislike for it transform to doom and gloom without actual evidence.

https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2015/05/115925.pdf

 

[Bikeman315]

https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2015/05/115925.pdf

So is the glass half full or half empty?

 

[Zig]

So is the glass half full or half empty?

Does sipping in moderation adjust the perspective?

 

[Gregs24]

There is no "additional start/stop electric oil pump" on the engine". A simple Google question puts the kabash on that. I thought it sounded rather creative. You seem obsessed with have s/s on Mustangs as a great thing. Sorry, it's a big flop in accomplishing nothing but wearing out an engine and taking longer to leave from a stop light. Just simple logic tells me starting and stopping a high compression V8 around town constantly isn't a good thing.

Also, the all knowing Google has this to say about start/stop and, of course they're right all the time, LOL:

"Start-stop technology has disadvantages including potential increased wear on the starter, battery, and engine components like the timing chain and bearings; potential for rust and corrosion in the exhaust system from condensation; increased battery replacement frequency and cost; potential driving discomfort, annoyance, and increased lag when needing to accelerate quickly; and complexity and costly repairs for advanced systems."

No, I will not use it on my Mustang and other cars as always. In summary, it just plain sucks.

Hahahahahaha - a simple thank you will do....

Why do Ford sell the part then?

System START / STOP pump, FORD 10R60 10R80 HL3P-7P086-DB from FORD – Buy Now for $94.5 USD

10R80 automatic start / stop transmissions are equipped with an auxiliary transmission fluid pump.
This electronic pump is activated before stopping the engine; allowing the transmission to remain "engaged" during standstill. This allows a quick response to engine restart and instant resupply as the transmission is already in gear

And literally the same Google search:

Frequent engine starts and stops can put extra stress on the starter motor, battery, and even engine components like the timing chain and bearings, although manufacturers have designed these parts to handle higher usage.

Your simple logic is just plain wrong

 

[Gregs24]

So is the glass half full or half empty?

As per my earlier link the answer is that as long as the systems are designed for S/S then all is well.

 

[Zig]

As per my earlier link the answer is that as long as the systems are designed for S/S then all is well.

Until used in excess?

 

[Gregs24]

Geez, 169 posts about a required system that can be defeated. Honestly some of the most ridiculous comments I’ve read in my 10 years on this forum.

So here is something that is real. My wife’s car (‘21 Volvo XC60) came up with this warning. Never knew the car had a second 12v battery for some secondary systems. But mostly for s/s. Cost to replace it, by the dealer, about $400. Now there’s something real to bitch about.

Whatever you do don't get the dealer to do it! The small support battery is about £50 if you buy an aftermarket one. Even an OEM one is only £100 from a parts supplier.

 

[Gregs24]

Until used in excess?

Anything used in excess (beyond design spec) will suffer from the same wear and failures. Excess for a S/S car is a much higher value than for a non S/S car because of the way it is designed.

 

[Zig]

Anything used in excess (beyond design spec) will suffer from the same wear and failures. Excess for a S/S car is a much higher value than for a non S/S car because of the way it is designed.

As long as this (https://blog.google/outreach-initia...duce-greenhouse-emissions-project-greenlight/) is implemented properly and we don’t need more than 10 s/s events per day or 5 one direction and 5 in return?

 

[Bikeman315]

Whatever you do don't get the dealer to do it! The small support battery is about £50 if you buy an aftermarket one. Even an OEM one is only £100 from a parts supplier.

Thank you. I have a local Volvo specialist that I will be bringing my car too. Whatever their price is it will be far less than my dealer.

By the way, s/s can be turned off in the computer system and has been since day one.

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