2025 Mustang GT quality issue - crankshaft main seal replacement and oil pan gasket leak

[Frogdog1]

That way you can watch it being done and not let them fuck up your car. I just won't let a car go "behind the wall" for anything if I don't know and trust the people. My trust is hard to get with my cars because they didn't pay for it and can't care as much as I can.

People put foreign cars on a pedestal like they have zero issues. They have plenty of problems of their own.

No mass produced car can have every car off the line 100% perfect....jeez, look at how many parts are in a car and they all have to go together perfectly....every single time.

FWIW, I drove my 06 Mustang GT for 17 years without one single issue! OK....ONCE I had to replace the alternator...that's it!

Just a FWIW, I have a Honda next to my Mustang and it has not had one thing wrong with it in 13 years. I will get rid of it when it totally craps out which will likely be after I do. It's only been in a shop for book maintenance. Lucky me. All car manufacturers have shops and people that work on their cars.

All vehicles can break although not often for some. I also ran a capital equipment manufacturer that built vehicles more complicated than any car. Our cost of warranty was .58% of sales.....quite a bit better than any car maker. Ford is on track for 4.1%.

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[LouG]

People put foreign cars on a pedestal like they have zero issues. They have plenty of problems of their own.

No mass produced car can have every car off the line 100% perfect....jeez, look at how many parts are in a car and they all have to go together perfectly....every single time.

FWIW, I drove my 06 Mustang GT for 17 years without one single issue! OK....ONCE I had to replace the alternator...that's it!

You're right. Euro cars seem to start having problems a few years down the track when all the plastic bits are ageing and people skimp on maintenance.

 

[TheACN]

You're right. Euro cars seem to start having problems a few years down the track when all the plastic bits are ageing and people skimp on maintenance.

The worst ever vehicle I owned was a VW Tiguan. It had some many issues I can’t even remember it all. All I know is after buying it brand new, I traded it in 8 months later for a huge loss. I was smiling when I was telling them to take my money, all I cared about was getting rid of it. Although it was made in Mexico and not in EU.

 

[Gregs24]

People put foreign cars on a pedestal like they have zero issues. They have plenty of problems of their own.

No mass produced car can have every car off the line 100% perfect....jeez, look at how many parts are in a car and they all have to go together perfectly....every single time.

FWIW, I drove my 06 Mustang GT for 17 years without one single issue! OK....ONCE I had to replace the alternator...that's it!

Of course quite a few 'foreign' cars are domestically built and some 'domestic' cars are foreign!

BMW make cars in the US, Ford make cars in China etc etc.

 

[Gregs24]

You're right. Euro cars seem to start having problems a few years down the track when all the plastic bits are ageing and people skimp on maintenance.

Don't blame plastic as some sort of inferior material. It is often stronger, more suitable and better for than the job that a lump of metal or wood!

 

[GeekGT5.0]

I can understand you are frustrated...but don't let the experience sour you on the car as a whole........It sucks you have those issues, but there is no mass produced car that I know of that makes every single car perfectly. Shit happens on the assembly line and we roll the dice when we get our car and hope for the best. Of course there might be common issues to look out for on a certain model, but people often join a message board mainly to post about a problem they have, which is fine, and helpful to know!

.....but it does skew the perception of the car. Many thousands buy the car and never have a problem and never join a message board.

I heard of so many horror stories about the S197 Mustang yet I drove mine for 17 years completely trouble free.

That said, I hope you get your issue sorted out and continue enjoying your car!

The only thing that really sucks is the shortage of replacement parts and having to wait sometimes.

So true, we bought our 2011 new, and I swear it was the last car made on a friday.

 

[Neggytive]

Don't blame plastic as some sort of inferior material. It is often stronger, more suitable and better for than the job that a lump of metal or wood!

Plastics have a life span

Glock pistol magazines are plastic and the early ones are failing

Be in a mag restricted state where you can not buy or import magazines with over 10 rund capacity and your factory 17 round magazines are cracking and not fitting in the magwell anymore

Yes some engineered plastics are very strong, but they are not going to last forever, and at some point when they fail there will be no OEM replacements as very few manufacturers are supporting parts much past 10 years after the part was last used in a car.

That leaves you at the mercy of the aftermarket

Look at plastic / polycarbonate headlights.

The UV protection wears away, the plastic clouds up, you want nice lenses for your older low production number car but the manufacturer no longer makes the part, there is no NOS lying around and Dorman Products, Keystone, or other companies don't think there is enough demand for the part to justify the cost of the tooling let alone the manufacturing

Try finding a headlight for a Caddy XLR

Now I am not saying metal lasts forever, I get cars in my shop all the time with rotted suspension parts such as upper and lower control arms

I had a late 80's Dodge 3500 type truck in my shop a couple of years ago, the upper control arms had already been patched/welded and yet they failed again.

I found ONE set of LKQ arms at a salvage yard in Ocala FL, there were no others listed for sale on car-part dot com

Plastic electrical connectors on injectors and such get brittle, they break, sure there are repair pieces available for a cost. Look at the price of connectors sometime. $50 or more per connector is not unusual.

Work on a 20 year old Ford F150 and gently brush up against the heater hose connections at the firewall. I bet they break. They are plastic and at 20 years old they are well past the time the manufacturer has designed them to last . This is why many dealers, especially Harley Davidson will not take in a bike that is more than 10 years old for service. If it needs a part and it is made out of unobtanium, you now have a customer bike in pieces on a lift and you are FUBAR'd

I had a 94 C4 Vette, under 50K on it, garage kept, nice enough car.

Every electrical connector I touched crumbled, every plastic part in the interior was brittle and would break if it had to come apart, some plastic parts just failed from age, especially trim pieces with screw holes, the plastic would break around the screws.

Plastic roof panels on a C4? hazed and cracked. That would not happen with glass

Polycarbonate has a life expectancy of about 15 years.

 

[Gregs24]

Plastics have a life span

Glock pistol magazines are plastic and the early ones are failing

Be in a mag restricted state where you can not buy or import magazines with over 10 rund capacity and your factory 17 round magazines are cracking and not fitting in the magwell anymore

Yes some engineered plastics are very strong, but they are not going to last forever, and at some point when they fail there will be no OEM replacements as very few manufacturers are supporting parts much past 10 years after the part was last used in a car.

That leaves you at the mercy of the aftermarket

Look at plastic / polycarbonate headlights.

The UV protection wears away, the plastic clouds up, you want nice lenses for your older low production number car but the manufacturer no longer makes the part, there is no NOS lying around and Dorman Products, Keystone, or other companies don't think there is enough demand for the part to justify the cost of the tooling let alone the manufacturing

Try finding a headlight for a Caddy XLR

Now I am not saying metal lasts forever, I get cars in my shop all the time with rotted suspension parts such as upper and lower control arms

I had a late 80's Dodge 3500 type truck in my shop a couple of years ago, the upper control arms had already been patched/welded and yet they failed again.

I found ONE set of LKQ arms at a salvage yard in Ocala FL, there were no others listed for sale on car-part dot com

Plastic electrical connectors on injectors and such get brittle, they break, sure there are repair pieces available for a cost. Look at the price of connectors sometime. $50 or more per connector is not unusual.

Work on a 20 year old Ford F150 and gently brush up against the heater hose connections at the firewall. I bet they break. They are plastic and at 20 years old they are well past the time the manufacturer has designed them to last . This is why many dealers, especially Harley Davidson will not take in a bike that is more than 10 years old for service. If it needs a part and it is made out of unobtanium, you now have a customer bike in pieces on a lift and you are FUBAR'd

I had a 94 C4 Vette, under 50K on it, garage kept, nice enough car.

Every electrical connector I touched crumbled, every plastic part in the interior was brittle and would break if it had to come apart, some plastic parts just failed from age, especially trim pieces with screw holes, the plastic would break around the screws.

Plastic roof panels on a C4? hazed and cracked. That would not happen with glass

Polycarbonate has a life expectancy of about 15 years.

All materials have a design life.

Plastics enable manufacturers to make things not possible using other materials

Nothing more to add.

 

[LouG]

The worst ever vehicle I owned was a VW Tiguan. It had some many issues I can’t even remember it all. All I know is after buying it brand new, I traded it in 8 months later for a huge loss. I was smiling when I was telling them to take my money, all I cared about was getting rid of it. Although it was made in Mexico and not in EU.

I had the Cupra version of that. It was excellent, but built in Germany. I guess it shows.

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