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My understanding (not a dealer employee or Ford employee, but related to a Ford retiree and used to work in Ford's call center in the past, so take it FWIW): 2% below invoice is better than X-Plan (which is typically only +1/-1% invoice), and A/Z plan is better than 2% below invoice (which can...

I have to imagine the vehicles in Canada are missing some features the US vehicles have to be priced lower, or the government is subsidizing the cost to sell them, to explain the price differential. Plus, what about taxes and fees? I wouldn't be surprised if they were higher for buyers in Canada...

In all fairness, Ford isn't exactly in as healthy of a financial situation as GM (and it has much poorer supplier relations), So they're in a more desperate position to cut corners at every opportunity they can

I wouldn't be surprised if an intern threw this together and the employees "shadowing" them just reviewed it cross eyed before giving approval to send it out.

I also recall seeing a post several weeks ago from an employee of All Star Ford (outside of Baton Rouge) that they may be able to offer MSRP pricing as well.

I will say, when I last spoke with Ourisman several weeks ago, they did tell me they don't intend to require a deposit for factory orders (not to take any wind out of Granger Ford's sails, BTW).

And even if you can find a dealer that's offering MSRP for the DH (such as Granger Ford), because of the limited allocations, you still might not get one at that price.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but AM Radio is also apparently gone, which is disappointing.

Yeah...no way in heck am I paying over $8K for some fancy wheels and over $5K for a fancy paint job, lol...

Ah, I missed that. I was only looking at 63V on the price guide.

Part of that I suspect is because you now have to pay extra for the Brembo brakes. So it almost evens out.

The bolded has worked for GM. The big elephant in the room for American automakers, and why they can't go the Japanese/German route you're suggesting, are the unions. The only real option is for them to run fewer plants at lower capacity to keep their labor costs under control (hiring fewer...

FWIW, I'm sure we'll see more incentives for MY24 as they hit the dealer lots, although they may not be as lucrative as those.

Thanks! And no problem. I was open to ordering a DH had it offered a lot more bells & whistles beyond better track performance (bearing in mind the GT Premium is still better than 95-98% of other cars peformance-wise), but that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.

That's explains the GT Premium's exclusion.

I'm just going based on the options sheet we have. If I'm missing something, by all means please tell me. And yes, I know the DH will hold up better in value because of its limited allocations, has somewhat prettier color(s) and it will be a better car for the race track because of the 500hp...

That's good to know, although it's odd that it would be excluded from the pricing guide (unless either the threshold has changed or it was an error on Ford's part).

Which would also make sense. The additional horsepower is probably just enough to trip the government's alarm for emissions.

Yeah, I can see the scale tipping in the DH's favor if it's going to be a toy for the race track as well. For me, it's just going to be a regular driver in the city.

It really does boil down to preference and a judgement call between the DH and a fully loaded GT Premium. There isn't much different between them. I get the prestige factor with the DH. But for me, if I have a better shot at getting several grand off MSRP (or even invoice) and without having to...