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I will say, however, Ford Credit may have been profitable up until this point, but with interest rates / delinqunecies rising (plus the possibility that we could be headed into a severe recession), its good fortunes might be coming to an end. It already saw a significant drop in profit from 2021...

For a company that brings in $158 billion in revenue per year and has nearly 200K workers, a subsidiary with only $10 Billion in revenue and ~5,000 employees is definitely a tiny part of it. Granted, Ford Credit has been an extremely profitable operation for how small it is, and given the...

It's not the prettiest-looking build & price tool, but it's easily the most functional and simple to understand I've seen thus far. Thank you OP!!!

To clarify the bolded, Ford already has their money from the dealer (who is their customer) once a car leaves the plant. They do make *SOME* revenue off their financing arm (Ford Credit), but it's a relatively tiny portion of the company.

Keller Bros looks to be a low-volume dealer in "the middle of nowhere" Pennsylvania. If any of them are most willing to sell cars without insane markups, it's going to be those small town dealers. A lot of folks live in a major city/metro area and are willing to pay an additional hefty markup...

Yes, sorry. Those are the names for Ford's discount plans.

My understanding (again, take it with a grain of salt as I'm not a Ford or dealer employee) is that Ford Corporate's rules dictate the dealer can only sell the vehicle within a percentage of invoice if they honor the X-Plan (which they don't have to). Certain fees are also waived. Now, to...

You make a good point overall, but I must take issue with the bolded part of your part. That's not a fair comparison because unless we're talking a Granger Ford (which will likely be the exception to the rule), most dealers who sell below invoice will be credited the difference by Ford...

The A-Plan is Ford's discount for employees, and the Z-Plan is ths same as the A-Plan except for Ford retirees. It's the most generous of all the corporate discounts available for new vehicles, not including any incentives/credits or dealership-specific markdowns. Depending on the dealer and...

Yeah, although the Mustang is a lower volume vehicle and has a Plant all to itself, I fully expect some shenanigans to occur for us as well.

And that's why it's hard to pinpoint an exact number with the A/X/Z Plan. Some dealers might include additional discounts/credits on top of it.

Not sure of the exact amount, but Zach at Granger Ford confirmed it would be better than the 2% below invoice they're offering.

It's also a very scenic drive at that.

I'm also surprised to seemingly be the only one here who has access to the A/Z plan. :frown:

You know it's serious business when moms are catching stray bullets... :cwl:

That's what I figured. It just doesn't make sense to me from the standpoint of a consumer, in that I'm paying several thousand dollars more to purchase an option package that will include a more inferior feature (a tire repair kit vs. an actual mini spare) than a standard GT. But it is what it is.

I'm not an engineer, so please excuse my ignorance when I ask this question... But in theory, couldn't they offer a "mini-spare" in a size that would clear the brembos?

I had to go back and look at the order guide again, to be sure I didn't miss something. Apparently, that's only true about the GT having a mini spare if you do *NOT* get the Performance Package. Which frankly, makes no sense to me, but oh well...

Yeah...sorry to say, you're not going to find one. DFW dealers are notorious for price gouging. If you really want a S650 at/below MSRP, might as well prepare yourself to either ship it in or drive it back yourself from an out-of-state dealer (that's my plan).