I was wrong, Dark Horse does not have forged pistons and rods

[ZXMustang]

PP GT has like 98% of what the DH has. lol. And auto to auto is just about the same. Don’t lie to yourself.

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[ChitownStang]

PP GT has like 98% of what the DH has. lol. And auto to auto is just about the same. Don’t lie to yourself.

PP is a great car. But there are still multiple differences for very little money difference once you load up a PP.
I’m just sick of your opinions and things you state are fact.
How about lane centering not existing on Mustang.
Flex tunes don’t work and nobody will offer.
No point to throttle controller as a good tuner will do the same.
I could go on man.
You’re a know it all that’s wrong most the time.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Doesn't the Ford Coyote spec sheet literally state that the DH has forged internals?

 

[ZXMustang]

this is what is says for the 2025 engines. Forged connecting rods. Thats it. DH is the far right one. Again, engine wise that is the only difference. And tuning wise, the calibrations are almost identical except for a few house keeping differences and the less torque management in the DH calibration. It doesnt have upgraded cams or better cams, the engine is the same. SAME SAME. The less tq management in the tune is what is allowing the engine to make that extra 14hp. The real only meaningful upgrade I can see is if you get a manual DH, then you get the tremec.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/co...y/2025/specs/2025_Mustang_Technical_Specs.pdf

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

this is what is says for the 2025 engines. Forged connecting rods. Thats it. DH is the far right one. Again, engine wise that is the only difference. And tuning wise, the calibrations are almost identical except for a few house keeping differences and the less torque management in the DH calibration. It doesnt have upgraded cams or better cams, the engine is the same. SAME SAME. The less tq management in the tune is what is allowing the engine to make that extra 14hp. The real only meaningful upgrade I can see is if you get a manual DH, then you get the tremec.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/co...y/2025/specs/2025_Mustang_Technical_Specs.pdf

Forged is forged. Sounds like you missed out, pal

 

[ZXMustang]

Forged is forged. Sounds like you missed out, pal

Forged internals =/= forged rods. You got the same pistons and crank pal. And do you see coyotes blowing up with 1000hp on boost?? No you dont. So what exactly did a PP GT guy miss out on other than some stickers and an extra $20k price tag? Tell me where that value lies - again tremec not included. If you got a 10 speed GTPP with mag ride vs a DH, then you have essentially the same car but with no body kit/stickers and a lot less cash. And when tuned, they are 1 for 1 equal power to the wheels. No difference.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Forged internals =/= forged rods. You got the same pistons and crank pal. And do you see coyotes blowing up with 1000hp of boost?? No you dont. So what exactly did a PP GT guy miss out on other than some stickers and an extra $20k price tag? Tell me where that value lies - again tremec not included. If you got a 10 speed GTPP with mag ride and a DH, then you have essentially the same car but with no body kit/stickers and a lot less cash. And when tuned, they are 1 for 1 equal power to the wheels. No difference.

If you didn't get a Darkhorse, you missed out on a better engine, better transmission, tighter track suspension, better aero, unique chassis tuning.

Again, seems like you're just sour grapes that you missed out big time

 

[ChitownStang]

this is what is says for the 2025 engines. Forged connecting rods. Thats it. DH is the far right one. Again, engine wise that is the only difference. And tuning wise, the calibrations are almost identical except for a few house keeping differences and the less torque management in the DH calibration. It doesnt have upgraded cams or better cams, the engine is the same. SAME SAME. The less tq management in the tune is what is allowing the engine to make that extra 14hp. The real only meaningful upgrade I can see is if you get a manual DH, then you get the tremec.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/co...y/2025/specs/2025_Mustang_Technical_Specs.pdf

Yes, the 2024 Mustang Dark Horse features more aggressive camshafts compared to the standard Mustang GT. These are derived from the Ford Shelby GT500 to improve high-rpm airflow and performance.Key Engine Differences:Camshafts: The Dark Horse uses unique, strengthened camshafts designed for higher performance.Engine Upgrades: The engine also includes GT500 connecting rods and a strengthened crankshaft to handle higher RPMs (up to 7,500).Tuning: The Dark Horse features a more aggressive engine calibration (tune) aimed at higher horsepower.

 

[Puddinpop]

If you didn't get a Darkhorse, you missed out on a better engine, better transmission, tighter track suspension, better aero, unique chassis tuning.

Again, seems like you're just sour grapes that you missed out big time

To be fair nobody's is missing out. There are plenty of Dark Horses sitting on lots with discounts trying to get rid of them.

 

[ZXMustang]

If you didn't get a Darkhorse, you missed out on a better engine, better transmission, tighter track suspension, better aero, unique chassis tuning.

Again, seems like you're just sour grapes that you missed out big time

Brother I've own 4 S650 GTs at this point including a DH. All for tuning developement. I had both a PP GT and a DH. Currently I have a 26 Im going FBO with CJ manifold and other goodies to push NA. Those buzz words you used are all bullshit. "unique chassis tuning" "better aero" "tighter track suspension", those are brochure words to account for 1mm larger diameter stabilizer bars...LOL. You got the same magride, same rear wing (DH premium) as the GT, and what chassis tuning? LOL. Different unibody moldings? Where do you people come up with this. When I was buying my DH, I had the salesman telling me it had a GT500 engine without the supercharger...Ahaha. I heard the "forged internals" line a few times during that transaction.

 

[ZXMustang]

To be fair nobody's is missing out. There are plenty of Dark Horses sitting on lots with discounts trying to get rid of them.

Yes I got the one I had for invoice minus rebates. It was like $4k off sticker I believe.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

When I was buying my DH, I had the salesman telling me it had a GT500 engine without the supercharger...Ahaha. I heard the "forged internals" line a few times during that transaction.

You're so much smarter than the salesman that they managed to sell you 4 S650's.

You really showed them, hahahahah

 

[ZXMustang]

You're so much smarter than the salesman that they managed to sell you 4 S650's.

You really showed them, hahahahah

You dont read so good do you.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You dont read so good do you.

Would you care to explain where I misunderstood you.

 

[ZXMustang]

Would you care to explain where I misunderstood you.

Brother I've own 4 S650 GTs at this point including a DH. All for tuning developement.

You act like some salesman hit some homerun selling me a bunch of cars like I was some sap off the street. These GTs and DH I have/had were all to build tunes and for marketing on social media and Ive made more money 5x than these cars cost to buy and build. So I dont know what youre LOLing at here. I didnt miss out on anything, I didnt get taken.

I did this specifically to build and sell tuning which Im doing very well. I've tuned 489 S650s and counting since july. Thats not counting the hundreds of gen1/2/3 cars as well. So if getting brand new GTs and a DH for invoice minus rebates, making a pile of money on them and moving on to the next is a joke to you, then by all means keep laughing. I will be as well when my next one the DH SC shows up.

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