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I believe Ford will be at production capacity between raptor R and upcoming DHSC and there will be no capacity to build any more than what they can.

I would expect demand to outstrip supply for years.
Did they build the Voodoo and Predator at the same place?

It would make sense if they did but I thought one was Dearborn and one was Romeo
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From Juggernaut Performance Tuning’s Facebook:
“We've already dug into the new Dark Horse SC calibration. It's safe to say it's going to be making pretty much the same rated power as the GTD. Extremely impressive but also extremely familiar. Our base tuning is already done and ready as soon as cars and flash support arrives”

This makes sense and I don’t see why it shouldn’t make any less power than the GTD. I’m also curious to see if it has the same dry-sump oil system as well.

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Where would they put the tank for a dry sump?
 

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I believe Ford will be at production capacity between raptor R and upcoming DHSC and there will be no capacity to build any more than what they can.

I would expect demand to outstrip supply for years.
That's assuming a CPC 5.2 could only be built on the ("new") Niche Line. No reason why it couldn't be done on the regular Coyote line.
 

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From Juggernaut Performance Tuning’s Facebook:
“We've already dug into the new Dark Horse SC calibration. It's safe to say it's going to be making pretty much the same rated power as the GTD. Extremely impressive but also extremely familiar. Our base tuning is already done and ready as soon as cars and flash support arrives”

This makes sense and I don’t see why it shouldn’t make any less power than the GTD. I’m also curious to see if it has the same dry-sump oil system as well.

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I'd be curious to see the wheel HP/TQ numbers (which obviously we eventually will).

Seeing as how the DH SC uses a 7 speed transmission vs the GTD using an 8 speed transaxle...there SHOULD be some difference in power to the ground.
 


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I'd be curious to see the wheel HP/TQ numbers (which obviously we eventually will).

Seeing as how the DH SC uses a 7 speed transmission vs the GTD using an 8 speed transaxle...there SHOULD be some difference in power to the ground.
yeah, it's gonna be a bit different. here's some specs on both
GearTR-9070 7-speed DCTTR-9080 8-speed transaxle DCT
Note(gears multiplied by the 1.46 transfer gear ratio for fair comparison)
13.14(2.91 x 1.46) 4.25
22.05(1.76 x 1.46) 2.57
31.43(1.22 x 1.46) 1.78
41.10(0.88 x 1.46) 1.28
50.86(0.65 x 1.46) 0.95
60.68(0.51 x 1.46) 0.74
70.56(0.40 x 1.46) 0.58
8N/A(0.33 x 1.46) 0.48
Ring and Pinion3.733.55
the DH SC is going to be slower to 60, lower top speed, and worse fuel economy. that's not even mentioning Ford's use of the political redline, where despite having the same engine, the GTD goes to 7650 and the DH SC either goes to 7400 or 7500
 
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yeah, it's gonna be a bit different. here's some specs on both
GearTR-9070 7-speed DCTTR-9080 8-speed transaxle DCT
Note(gears multiplied by the 1.46 transfer gear ratio for fair comparison)
13.14(2.91 x 1.46) 4.25
22.05(1.76 x 1.46) 2.57
31.43(1.22 x 1.46) 1.78
41.10(0.88 x 1.46) 1.28
50.86(0.65 x 1.46) 0.95
60.68(0.51 x 1.46) 0.74
70.56(0.40 x 1.46) 0.58
8N/A(0.33 x 1.46) 0.48
Ring and Pinion3.733.55
the DH SC is going to be slower to 60, lower top speed, and worse fuel economy. that's not even mentioning Ford's use of the political redline, where despite having the same engine, the GTD goes to 7650 and the DH SC either goes to 7400 or 7500
You're forgetting about weight, though...

The previous GT500 CFTP weighs around 400lbs less than the GTD. I won't speculate on DH SC weight, but that is going to be a big factor.

EDIT: Upon looking further, weight seem to be all over the place on both cars. No one ever standardizes a proper weight test...fuel level, trim, options, etc. It's aggravating. Anyway, take the 400lbs with a grain of salt...
 
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You're forgetting about weight, though...

The previous GT500 CFTP weighs around 400lbs less than the GTD. I won't speculate on DH SC weight, but that is going to be a big factor.
well, we can estimate the weight. let's start with Mach 1 vs GT500. Mach 1 weighed about 3900 lbs. GT500 without CFTP weighed just shy of 4200 lbs. those two are very similar in everything except engine and transmission. so we can put that alongside the S650 Mach 1 (Dark Horse), which is about 4000 lbs. we can assume that the DH SC will weigh about 4300 lbs, which is near to what the GTD weighs (~4300 lbs), but the GTD got lighter due to carbon fiber body panels, and immediately lost that lightening due to the rear suspension setup. with the track pack adding carbon fiber wheels and carbon ceramic brakes, it's said to shed about 150 lbs, which makes it just about the same weight as the GT500 without CFTP
 

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well, we can estimate the weight. let's start with Mach 1 vs GT500. Mach 1 weighed about 3900 lbs. GT500 without CFTP weighed just shy of 4200 lbs. those two are very similar in everything except engine and transmission. so we can put that alongside the S650 Mach 1 (Dark Horse), which is about 4000 lbs. we can assume that the DH SC will weigh about 4300 lbs, which is near to what the GTD weighs (~4300 lbs), but the GTD got lighter due to carbon fiber body panels, and immediately lost that lightening due to the rear suspension setup. with the track pack adding carbon fiber wheels and carbon ceramic brakes, it's said to shed about 150 lbs, which makes it just about the same weight as the GT500 without CFTP
C&D quoted the GTD to weigh 4,404lbs in two separate articles. Yet MT's trio comparison test at Sebring, had the GTD at 4,365lbs. Fudge factor = 39lbs.

The GT500 CFTP weighed 4,067lbs at the 2020 C&D LL. Edmunds U-drags said their long-term GT500 (sans CFTP) weighed 4,168lbs. Difference between packages = 101lbs.

The C&D LL say the 2021 M1 was 3,811lbs as tested (2022 LL). The 24' DH at the same event in 2024, weighed 4,024lbs. Difference = 213lbs.

THE NUMBERS MASON! What do they mean?! (Hope you get that reference, lol)
If not: Insert the Charlie Day meme, lol.

We know the S650 cars gained weight over the S550 across the board, so while we have some decent data, without a real standardized weight test, I'm still going use a decent grain of salt here. The big difference between the GT500 CFTP and the DH SC w/TP is going to be how much the CCB's actually save, as both have carbon wheels, rear-seat delete and other bits and pieces. For what it's worth, I'd expect the DH SC w/TP to be somewhere in the ballpark of 150-200lbs less than the GTD...
 

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The weight can already be calculated based on the GVW that Ford is listing on internal documentation that any Ford Service employee has access to...
 

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well, i just found some info out about availability. dealers will be required to pay $3500 to get access to training and one allocation per model year. additional units may be allocated later depending on previous sales performance, but only to dealers who have paid the $3500 per model year fee
 

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well, i just found some info out about availability. dealers will be required to pay $3500 to get access to training and one allocation per model year. additional units may be allocated later depending on previous sales performance, but only to dealers who have paid the $3500 per model year fee
What does it mean? "one allocation per model year"... each dealer can sell only one unit in a whole year? That's more restrictive than the GTD ....
 

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What does it mean? "one allocation per model year"... each dealer can sell only one unit in a whole year? That's more restrictive than the GTD ....
not quite. it just means that the dealer is only promised one per model year they pay the fee to opt into. more allocations may be given later in the model year according to sales performance. order banks open in really late March, with deliveries anticipated to start end of June
 

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Gotcha, you mean the exposition model or anything to show to the customers...not the ones they can order (to sell). That's pretty standard (here in Europe at least) for the exclusive models.
 

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Dark Horse was really limited also its first year. Then Ford moved to ondemand orders in 2025. I think something similar for the SC, it will have to be rare to increase excitement first year, but more will be available over time.
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