Great News for V8s and ICE Vehicles in General

[LouG]

Whenever I hear "the science is settled" or "it's safe and effective" I lose a smidgeon more trust is the system.
And, they've done it to themselves.

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[OLD Texan]

Interesting thread. Bottom line, it’s all about the money!

I have to say I don’t give chit, because 100 years from now, it will not make any difference for 99.999% of population alive today. You, me, even children born today will be gone.
Sleep well tonight.

 

[2BigPups]

I guess it's more fitting to say it's a mobile power source. But whatever it is, it can power your house, job sites, campouts, etc.

Had a 2023 F-150 Powerboost, and yes it can easily power job sites, camping, RVs. House not so much. If your house is wired with a switch box for an external portable generator, then NO it will not power your house. Use it to run extension cords all over the place, sure. What Ford does not tell you is that to power your house you need a specific switch box that is extremely expensive or pay an electrician to do an elaborate wiring job. I will stick with my 8.5kW portable generator over the Powerboost 7.2kW

Been there, done that, sold the 2023 F-150 Limited. I don't go to job sites or campgrounds, or have an RV, and didn't want to spend a bunch of money to rewired the circuit breaker panel. Such is life.

 

[2BigPups]

Had a 2023 F-150 Powerboost, and yes it can easily power job sites, camping, RVs. House not so much. If your house is wired with a switch box for an external portable generator, then NO it will not power your house. Use it to run extension cords all over the place, sure. What Ford does not tell you is that to power your house you need a specific switch box that is extremely expensive or pay an electrician to do an elaborate wiring job. I will stick with my 8.5kW portable generator over the Powerboost 7.2kW

Been there, done that, sold the 2023 F-150 Limited. I don't go to job sites or campgrounds, or have an RV, and didn't want to spend a bunch of money to rewired the circuit breaker panel. Such is life.

Plus the one had had so electrical gremlins that I believe someone got the Gremlins wet and fed them after midnight. Main reason I sold it.

 

[MAT1955]

.....the best news is that on this forum there may be a bit of disagreement - but - I find it respectful disagreement, unlike some other forums. We have to be better than many in government who will not even consider the others' points of view. That is toxic for society. We do a lot better here, for which I am very thankful.

 

[smurfslayer]

Whenever I hear "the science is settled" or "it's safe and effective" I lose a smidgeon more trust is the system.
And, they've done it to themselves.

"The science is settled" has much in common with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Climate change is real
we have to do something right now (or we'll all die)
And again, over 50 years it's morphed from "the coming ice age" to "global warming" to "climate change".

The climate change is real camp can tolerate no dissent, no discussion, no disagreement, even from those who realize and admit the climate is different now than it was 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago. But any attempt at discussion, or clarification is met with dismissal and some form of "no serious intellectual" believes the climate is not changing and we have to do something.

In other words - No True Scotsman.

If you are a scientist and follow scientific methods, the science is never settled. If it were, we would still be bloodletting to cure the common cold.

 

[135Hoser]

With all due respect: if you have this opinion why are you driving a V8 instead of a Tesla?

Well for starters I have no desire to funnel money to a billionaire edge lord who lacks the self awareness to engage in any kind of emotional development and personal growth.

Secondly, my mustang is a seasonal pleasure vehicle. I don't drive it a lot and my DD gets pretty good fuel economy so I'm hoping my carbon footprint for someone living in north america isn't too egregious.

Why does manufacturers having realistic fleet wide fuel economy targets preclude me or you from ever owning a V8?

You realize there's a happy middle ground between "going back to horse drawn carriage" and "10mpg v8's in everything"

And yes, my carbon footprint is definitely smaller than the dickhead CEO of starbucks who takes a private jet to work frequently. Or All the celebs who fly private. etc. etc. etc.

y'all complain about me having extreme views.

 

[GooberDH]

And yet the ev sank due to weight, or is it wait, either way mandate be gone.

edit fix typo changed it to yet.

Not to mention ironically how awful EVs will end up for our planet. Who's going to want to spend $10k-$20k to replace the battery in a Tesla however many years down the line, sooner than later with fast charging, when it dies while the whole car is worth $8k-$12k? Planned obsolescence garbage that will rot in a landfill. I remember when you could take your appliances like vacuums into a repair shop. Now when it brakes people just throw it away and get a new one.

 

[Stanzi]

Sadly, it’s not good news. No global manufacturer is going to retool due to a US President rolling back standards by executive order which the next President can undo by their own executive order. Do you realize the financial gamble that would take? And it would take them two years to make the changes anyway and by that time they risk the next President bankrupting them with their own executive order nullifying Trumps. The only way this is good news is if it becomes law by passing it as legislation.

 

[Zig]

Sadly, it’s not good news. No global manufacturer is going to retool due to a US President rolling back standards by executive order which the next President can undo by their own executive order. Do you realize the financial gamble that would take? And it would take them two years to make the changes anyway and by that time they risk the next President bankrupting them with their own executive order nullifying Trumps. The only way this is good news is if it becomes law by passing it as legislation.

If it’s the last one you’ll ever need, you’ll never need another - not great for business.

however, the majority of the vehicle is the same. Power / propulsion variants but cabin, shell, and interior all pretty much the same. Heck at this point even the mechanics of ice haven’t changed, it’s the same as it’s always been just better. Software doesn’t require massive retooling.

 

[Stanzi]

No- but any new combination of engine / transmission in any car requires it to undergo massive expense with getting EPA Certified- that’s the real reason the manual transmission is dead. They can’t just stick it in a few cars without tens of millions in recertification fees.

 

[Zig]

No- but any new combination of engine / transmission in any car requires it to undergo massive expense with getting EPA Certified- that’s the real reason the manual transmission is dead. They can’t just stick it in a few cars without tens of millions in recertification fees.

So the aftermarket supercharger problem, ala paperwork regulation?

 

[Q6543]

Wow, can’t wait to see how this plays out …

I wonder if/when we see some new engine variants.

Coyote evolving from SOHC modular is a 30 year old idea.

Maybe we start to get displacement crazy with modern tech…. Why not 8.0 Litre modern coyote make 700 plus N/A… 14-1500 on boost with ease.

That would help make 4k lb cars even more fun !!

 

[Bikeman315]

Wow, can’t wait to see how this plays out …

I wonder if/when we see some new engine variants.

Coyote evolving from SOHC modular is a 30 year old idea.

Maybe we start to get displacement crazy with modern tech…. Why not 8.0 Litre modern coyote make 700 plus N/A… 14-1500 on boost with ease.

That would help make 4k lb cars even more fun !!

Reread post #85. @Stanzi is spot on. Nothing is going to change. There may be some new variants but not because of this. Development takes time. And as all the manufacturers know, “this too shall pass”.

 

[Zig]

Reread post #85. @Stanzi is spot on. Nothing is going to change. There may be some new variants but not because of this. Development takes time. And as all the manufacturers know, “this too shall pass”.

How long does it take to gut the cat, to drop the def? removing parts aint as difficult as adding. I mean they already do it but are prevented by regulation, drop the regulation and do they need to retool or simply bypass? When we remove the stuff the car still works, if they could they would, it aint like they aint sitting on stuff they are just itching to implement. As long as it’s ‘clean’ who cares? I mean how dirty is it really when asthma inhalers are found in the same measurements?

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