Is tuning a stock car on 93 worth it?

[Mr Hyde]

My take on tuning...don't I want to void my warranty right after buying the car for the tune? Not yet. Once I have all the suspension and chassis reinforcement done, maybe the prices will have come down a little and make more sense. Or, just use the money for a whipple...

Not a bad thought process but dont mod at all then if you are worried about warranty. Its unfortunately the way it is. If your going to go whipple or ford supercharger i would do so sooner rather than later. The warranty on those does void the factory driveline warranty and is replaced with a 36k 36 month warranty by the manufacturer. Which starts from time of purchase of the car and miles driven prior are deducted from that 36k miles. The more miles you drive un wippled decreases the length of the warranty time after you put it on. If ford sees suspension mods and cradle lockouts and other go fast racecar parts they will look deeper. Yes theres are laws but are your pockets as deep as fords. Just trying to give perspective, if i came across harsh it was not intentional.

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[UberBricky]

Not a bad thought process but dont mod at all then if you are worried about warranty. Its unfortunately the way it is. If your going to go whipple or ford supercharger i would do so sooner rather than later. The warranty on those does void the factory driveline warranty and is replaced with a 36k 36 month warranty by the manufacturer. Which starts from time of purchase of the car and miles driven prior are deducted from that 36k miles. The more miles you drive un wippled decreases the length of the warranty time after you put it on. If ford sees suspension mods and cradle lockouts and other go fast racecar parts they will look deeper. Yes theres are laws but are your pockets as deep as fords. Just trying to give perspective, if i came across harsh it was not intentional.

Not harsh at all. My dealership said the suspension mods, oil separator, air filters etc would not void the warranty (take that as you will)

My plan is to get a couple years out of the warranty before going full bore, and the 20hp or so just isn't worth it at 1k+ Canadian $ for a tune. Given that winter can start in October, my driving season isn't very long and I probably wont even have 5k on it this year, but good to know about the 36k warranty math

 

[Mr Hyde]

Not harsh at all. My dealership said the suspension mods, oil separator, air filters etc would not void the warranty (take that as you will)

My plan is to get a couple years out of the warranty before going full bore, and the 20hp or so just isn't worth it at 1k+ Canadian $ for a tune. Given that winter can start in October, my driving season isn't very long and I probably wont even have 5k on it this year, but good to know about the 36k warranty math

Nothing wrong with that either. I tried tuning seems mine is untunable. No fault of my tuner for trying.

 

[ChitownStang]

Nothing wrong with that either. I tried tuning seems mine is untunable. No fault of my tuner for trying.

What… You couldn’t get it fixed? How is yours different?

 

[ZXMustang]

What… You couldn’t get it fixed? How is yours different?

It will get fixed. I have another guy HPT is struggling getting his car read. Their engineer told me there are a very small handful of strategy’s that they haven’t been able to finish defining yet with their software. And the firmware doesn’t know the cars controller yet. Once they get it defined and push that out via firmware update, this will be a non issue. I have easily 25+ cars tuned at this point and only 1 (other than you) that still can’t read out the car. We’ve tried everything short of praying to this thing.
It’s #.5 priority - higher than priority 1 to HPT to get the remaining OS strategy’s defined and rolled out. It’s coming very soon. They are working on this basically 24/7 at this point.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Sounds like these tuners definitely rushed this stuff out.

 

[ChitownStang]

It will get fixed. I have another guy HPT is struggling getting his car read. Their engineer told me there are a very small handful of strategy’s that they haven’t been able to finish defining yet with their software. And the firmware doesn’t know the cars controller yet. Once they get it defined and push that out via firmware update, this will be a non issue. I have easily 25+ cars tuned at this point and only 1 (other than you) that still can’t read out the car. We’ve tried everything short of praying to this thing.
It’s #.5 priority - higher than priority 1 to HPT to get the remaining OS strategy’s defined and rolled out. It’s coming very soon. They are working on this basically 24/7 at this point.

I’m glad to hear they are working diligently on the bugs they knew were there.
If you are willing to be the first to try something then you should expect headaches but on the other hand I think if you are willing to sell a product that isn’t ready then you should be ready to have a lot of egg on your face too which can hurt a good reputation.

 

[ZXMustang]

Sounds like these tuners definitely rushed this stuff out.

We didnt rush anything out. HPT let us all know it was coming and we got working on tunes. And some of the big name guys had it several weeks before even us normal tuners. Then when they announced it, the ones of us that had cars we could dev on had tunes ready. This isnt a tuning issue, its a PCM controller issue that HPT didnt know was going to be a problem. There are thousands of cars out there at this point, and probably 50 different revs of OEM calibrations for the same config of car. DHm6, DH10R, GTm6, GT10R and so on. Lots of early build OS's that are on job1 cars and even the latest cals on cars like mine that are vastly different than even late 24 cars.

This is just growing pains that every gen went through. Remember the 2020+ big cal change that mixed up the tuning industry for 6 months on the gen 3 cars? No you probably dont. Or the absolute debacle that the 2011 5.0 was.

The common sentiment was SCT was going to release something before HPT, and HPT caught wind of it and rushed this out. The "rush" job was not being totally ready for the 24+ 5.0 F150 and a few other models that they are still sorting out like the new powerstrokes. They just released the new F150 stuff a few days ago.

The initial release on 7/11 was thought to be complete for those vehicles featured. This was a monumental task to make happen. Something that 99% of you thought was never going to happen. And you were pissed about it before too.

 

[Abilor]

Not harsh at all. My dealership said the suspension mods, oil separator, air filters etc would not void the warranty (take that as you will)

My plan is to get a couple years out of the warranty before going full bore, and the 20hp or so just isn't worth it at 1k+ Canadian $ for a tune. Given that winter can start in October, my driving season isn't very long and I probably wont even have 5k on it this year, but good to know about the 36k warranty math

I respect the thinking, I do, but take the thought to its logical conclusion: something goes wrong on your car, say, an oil leak. You take it in, they replace a seal, all is well. Two weeks later, it begins leaking again. This time they take off the valve cover, and fix more seals. All's well. Two weeks later, again, it leaks oil. You do some research, and find out the PCV system is prone to failure. The techs at the dealership say you're wrong, and replace more seals. Two weeks later, the car is leaking again... On... and on...

True story; it's from when I traded in my 2021 Camaro 2SS Convertible for (SHOCK!) a 2025 Mustang GT. Warranties get you the dealership's *finest* technicians. If you ever get one of these techs in a candid conversation, say, at a bar right by the dealership right after they get off work (another true story), they'll tell you that they know what's wrong with your car, but because it's warranty work (no money in it), direction from corporate is to "fix" the problem without actually fixing the problem... And that's if you get the master technician; every chance you might get the kid who huffs paint in his car on break because working as a mechanic at a dealership is effin' awful.

I don't let dealership techs work on my car, period. If it's not me doing it, it's someone at a local speed shop with a massive reputation for good work.

Those warranties are empty corporate promises man. My opinion. But I'm tuning myself, not paying a guy $1000 to re-program my car's brain.

 

[Abilor]

We didnt rush anything out. HPT let us all know it was coming and we got working on tunes. And some of the big name guys had it several weeks before even us normal tuners. Then when they announced it, the ones of us that had cars we could dev on had tunes ready. This isnt a tuning issue, its a PCM controller issue that HPT didnt know was going to be a problem. There are thousands of cars out there at this point, and probably 50 different revs of OEM calibrations for the same config of car. DHm6, DH10R, GTm6, GT10R and so on. Lots of early build OS's that are on job1 cars and even the latest cals on cars like mine that are vastly different than even late 24 cars.

This is just growing pains that every gen went through. Remember the 2020+ big cal change that mixed up the tuning industry for 6 months on the gen 3 cars? No you probably dont. Or the absolute debacle that the 2011 5.0 was.

The common sentiment was SCT was going to release something before HPT, and HPT caught wind of it and rushed this out. The "rush" job was not being totally ready for the 24+ 5.0 F150 and a few other models that they are still sorting out like the new powerstrokes. They just released the new F150 stuff a few days ago.

The initial release on 7/11 was thought to be complete for those vehicles featured. This was a monumental task to make happen. Something that 99% of you thought was never going to happen. And you were pissed about it before too.

Preach. This ^^^

 

[Abilor]

It will get fixed. I have another guy HPT is struggling getting his car read. Their engineer told me there are a very small handful of strategy’s that they haven’t been able to finish defining yet with their software. And the firmware doesn’t know the cars controller yet. Once they get it defined and push that out via firmware update, this will be a non issue. I have easily 25+ cars tuned at this point and only 1 (other than you) that still can’t read out the car. We’ve tried everything short of praying to this thing.
It’s #.5 priority - higher than priority 1 to HPT to get the remaining OS strategy’s defined and rolled out. It’s coming very soon. They are working on this basically 24/7 at this point.

Man, I'm just happy HPT gave us working software at all, and "normal" tuners have a new puzzle to obsess over. I'm off to watch more videos now lol...

 

[Mr Hyde]

It will get fixed. I have another guy HPT is struggling getting his car read. Their engineer told me there are a very small handful of strategy’s that they haven’t been able to finish defining yet with their software. And the firmware doesn’t know the cars controller yet. Once they get it defined and push that out via firmware update, this will be a non issue. I have easily 25+ cars tuned at this point and only 1 (other than you) that still can’t read out the car. We’ve tried everything short of praying to this thing.
It’s #.5 priority - higher than priority 1 to HPT to get the remaining OS strategy’s defined and rolled out. It’s coming very soon. They are working on this basically 24/7 at this point.

I tried praying to the Omnissah (machine spirit), he said get bent meat bag. I also tried sacrificing some chickens well it was kfc but hey its the thought that counts. As for HP I'm not a fan at the moment they have been less than professional in their dealings with me and not responsive at all. As for p1 tuning they went above and beyond my expectations in getting it sorted as best they could.

 

[Abilor]

I tried praying to the Omnissah (machine spirit), he said get bent meat bag. I also tried sacrificing some chickens well it was kfc but hey its the thought that counts. As for HP I'm not a fan at the moment they have been less than professional in their dealings with me and not responsive at all. As for p1 tuning they went above and beyond my expectations in getting it sorted as best they could.

Hehe nice. I don't doubt your experience has been frustrating. I'll add though that logging a ticket was only way I got their attention; from there, HPT support was responsive. Messaged me about once every day or two until I was up and running.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Hehe nice. I don't doubt your experience has been frustrating. I'll add though that logging a ticket was only way I got their attention; from there, HPT support was responsive. Messaged me about once every day or two until I was up and running.

Glad they got you sorted out. I got condescending responses when they bothered to respond in roughly 3 days I've gotten 3 emails and all 3 were today. Emails that weren't default system generated that is. One told me to go use the first ticket that their software created when trying to upload the required information for the 3rd time. The second was to tell me to basically eff off and not use the latest ticket that got created by their software. i accidentally replied to it when trying to figure out wtf is going on. The third was here go try now , and guess what didn't effing work as i expected. I understand issues and working it out and being new its an entirely different thing to pay to beta test. this is all stuff that should have been done before release. They need to concentrate on getting one done before moving on to the next. Too many irons in the fire to be effective and work quickly and with focus.

 

[ZXMustang]

@Mr Hyde HP Tuners fixed my other guy that was in the same spot as you today. You might want to try again or reach out to them. My other guy is flashing now and about to drive off into the sunset.

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