unique tuning?

[AZ_Ryan]

Thought I saw a comparison chart that shows the same springs and sway bars between the PP and a non-HP DH? I thought there was some "marketing speak" which is why I posted.

That is entirely possible. I haven't seen a spring rate chart comparing the PP and DH. If they are the same, it just reinforces my opinion that there isn't much separation between the PP and DH to justify the price tag.

Im thinking there will be better re-sale value with a DH down the road? Retiring in 4 yrs, will likely sell it and spend my glory days actually building old muscle cars, for now I am going to enjoy these amazing new mustangs. Since price and performance are so close between the DH non-HP and a GT PP Im going for the DH for the tremec and interior.

If the Mach 1 prices are any indication, no, it won't have better resale relative to the purchase price.

I have another question. Regarding tuning. My experience in American muscle goes way back ;-). I understand a little about tuning, but tuning seems to be more for automatics correct? If/when tunings are available how much will it benefit a manual trans car?

Almost none. The S650s are tuned pretty close to the max from the factory. On a manual car with no mods there is nothing to gain.

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[AZ_Ryan]

And what? Did you click on the link?

Yes. Nothing refutes what I said. What am I missing?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Yes. Nothing refutes what I said. What am I missing?

and why do you assume that the purpose of the link was to refute what you wrote?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Not sure whether this answers the question on spring rates:

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/handling-pack-mistake.160937/page-4#post-3417898

 

[robvas]

I'm in

Yes. Nothing refutes what I said. What am I missing?

You can change the tuning of the magneride on the mustang

 

[AZ_Ryan]

and why do you assume that the purpose of the link was to refute what you wrote?

I'm not sure what to think when someone responds to my post with a link and no context.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

I'm not sure what think when someone responds to my post with a link and no context.

I saw immediately that he confirmed (rather than contradicted) one of your points and that the thread showed that either tuning is available or Steeda was working on it.

There are track focused tunes for magneride for GM vehicles that apparently do an excellent job. I do not think anybody aftermarket has put that kind of work into Ford's unit, although I have been satisfied with how Ford did it.

 

[robvas]

I saw immediately that he confirmed (rather than contradicted) one of your points and that the thread showed that either tuning is available or Steeda was working on it.

There are track focused tunes for magneride for GM vehicles that apparently do an excellent job. I do not think anybody aftermarket has put that kind of work into Ford's unit, although I have been satisfied with how Ford did it.

The GT500 guys have been playing with Magneride tuning solutions for a couple years

 

[Junkyard Dog]

The GT500 guys have been playing with Magneride tuning solutions for a couple years

I guess I would need to know about the competence of the folks doing it. I think the outstanding results on C7 Corvettes were made by a guy retired from Chevrolet who had some position of importance, but I do not remember all the details now, years later.

UPDATE: I think it was this guy, Jim Mero.
https://jimmero.com/

 

[AZ_Ryan]

My point was that the Magneride calibration is the same for the DH and PP cars. The "chassis tuning" verbiage is just marketing speak. They said the same thing for the Mach 1s and many people took that to mean the Magnaride was "tuned" differently. It isnt.

It may very well be tunable in the aftermarket. But thats not what I was talking about.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Not sure whether this answers the question on spring rates:

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/handling-pack-mistake.160937/page-4#post-3417898

Yeah I know the spring rates are higher on the DH handling pack cars. I was speaking to the base DH and PP springs. I'm pretty sure they are the same, but can't find the specs right now.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I'm in

You can change the tuning of the magneride on the mustang

Good to know. But I wasn't referring to aftermarket tuning. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Upacurb]

Hey, I've just been a lurker here for a year or so. Dont post much on social media but had questions I can't find answers to. It's probably here but i tired of looking sorry.

I bought a 2024 GT 400A close to a year ago but want to upgrade. All I have done is put meatier wheels/tires on it. 285's front, 305's rear with Velgen VF5's. Love my car, it's a blast to drive but not quite punchy enough. I started out looking at GT's with PP but they would not budge on price, I ended up practically stealing what I bought. Test drove a PP model, manual trans with 3.73 but that was a month or so before I test drove the manual with 3.55 and bought it.

Currently looking at 4 different mustangs that are fitting my budget. 1 DH automatic non-HP, 1 DH manual non-HP. 1 GT PP automatic, and 1 GT PP manual. All close to the same price. I have not driven any automatics, right now I am working excessive hours and have been "shopping" on line and talking over phone/emails. Unfortunately, I don't have time to visit the dealerships yet. Starting up a new manufacturing facility, working 7 days, 11-12 hour days for the next few weeks. None of my prospects are local, closest is 3 hrs away, one of them is 8 hrs away. Of course I will get to test drives eventually, just trying to narrow it down here, would appreciate some help!

-Anybody driven, one after the other, a manual with 3.55 and a manual with 3.73? noticeable difference?
-Driven one after the other a manual and an automatic? Love manuals, but open to automatic. Out of 7 muscle cars I have built in my days 6 were manual.
-I keep seeing "unique tuning", but can't find a definition of exactly what it is.
-Im just a street guy, will likely never see a track but do play on country roads. Is there noticeable difference in GT PP's and non-HP Dark Horses? Handling differences? Power differences? Im not a top end person, but love quick and agile.

Thanks in advance for your knowledge!

If not a daily driver and you want something completely different feeling … 19/20 GT350 or 20 plus GT500… they will hold value better then a new car

The GT350 is much more raw … to the point not sure I’d daily drive one … the GT500 is more refined like the S650 but the DCT and Predator will ruin only muscle cars for you from an acceleration perspective

 

[LouG]

My point was that the Magneride calibration is the same for the DH and PP cars. The "chassis tuning" verbiage is just marketing speak. They said the same thing for the Mach 1s and many people took that to mean the Magnaride was "tuned" differently. It isnt.

It may very well be tunable in the aftermarket. But thats not what I was talking about.

Ok, I've come in late. Isn't the "tuning" the alignment specs? Plus tyres.

 

[robvas]

Look at Ford page for the RTR EcoBoost:


Performance & Capability

• Mustang Dark Horse Adjustable Strut Alignment Bracket 
• Mustang Dark Horse Handling Pack Front & Rear Stabilizer Bars
• Mustang Dark Horse Rear Subframe with Stiffer Rate Bushings
• Mustang GT Steering Rack Angle with 72.5 millimeters of additional travel
• RTR-specific stability control tune
• RTR-specific calibration for available MagneRide dampers

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