Swapped my Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS for Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires

[robvas]

"Traction was great at 35 degrees" makes me question the entire "review"...

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[Barstoolman]

"Traction was great at 35 degrees" makes me question the entire "review"...

I got my new Dark Horse with the handling package six weeks ago and have managed to put in only ~200 miles. It is not even broken in yet, and we are entering winter, which will make it hard to enjoy the car for the next few months.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires that came with it, are ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer and then only on the track. In the cold of winter, at temperatures below 40, these tires become hard and brittle, lose traction, and can break like glass.

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems. Sure, traction in winter may not be at track-level, but it is good enough for normal driving in cold temperatures without snow, and definitely better than the Pirellis. Also, these tires, unlike the Pirellis, can be driven in the wet, although I don't intend to ever drive in the rain.

So, the Pirellis, with only 150 miles on them, are now in my climate-controlled basement waiting for spring, when they will face the track. In the mean time, I will be driving the Dark Horse on the Michelins throughout nice, sunny, dry, and warmer winter days here in Southeaster Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43 winter days here in South Easter Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43.

just picked up a clone of yours, Black with handling package. We had a lot of rain in California and the troferos worthless when wet. Switching out on Saturday.Nitto NT555 G2. I’ll put the Pirelli’s back on in the Spring and hit Willow Springs. I’ll report back about the.Nitro’s

 

[Junkyard Dog]

"Traction was great at 35 degrees" makes me question the entire "review"...

Serious question here: Have you driven PS4S tires when the outside air temperature is 35 degrees, warmed them up, and pushed them some for determining the traction?

I ask because several here on the discussion forum have, including me. Cold at 30 degrees straight onto the roadway and pushed through a turn with no warm up sucked, as I posted here in the PS4s thread, lol. Warmed up for a few minutes, though, traction was great, indistinguishable from warmer weather on PS4S. Others have posted even about using them on track in even colder weather after getting them warm.

It's ok if you did this experiment and found 0 traction or something, but I would like to know whether you are speaking from experience in questioning another poster who obviously has some experience with them, and me, who actually experimented in different conditions, temperatures, and tire states, and the other poster who tracked them when it was 19 degrees outside (going off memory, could be off a little).

 

[Papo]

"Traction was great at 35 degrees" makes me question the entire "review"...

Question no moh

“Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires are track-focused semi-slick tires designed for high performance, operating best in warm conditions and requiring significant heat to reach their optimal grip window, with Pirelli suggesting pressures around 2.2 bar (hot) and a general avoidance of freezing temperatures, as their compounds crack below 45°F (7°C). They aim for maximum grip with high operating temperatures, but are not for snow/ice, and hydroplaning is a risk in wet conditions.”

 

[Junkyard Dog]

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems.

He's talking about this, your comment on the Michelin PS4S.

 

[Papo]

He's talking about this, your comment on the Michelin PS4S.

Oh! Sorry. Actually, my Michelins work great in 35 degrees. I had some very mild spinning when the tires are cold and I pull out from a full stop on a slight incline. But once they warm up, they are great. I would probably not wanna do that on the Trofeos, but more out of fear of damaging them; but the Pilots are fine.

 

[FitmentIndustries]

I got my new Dark Horse with the handling package six weeks ago and have managed to put in only ~200 miles. It is not even broken in yet, and we are entering winter, which will make it hard to enjoy the car for the next few months.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires that came with it, are ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer and then only on the track. In the cold of winter, at temperatures below 40, these tires become hard and brittle, lose traction, and can break like glass.

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems. Sure, traction in winter may not be at track-level, but it is good enough for normal driving in cold temperatures without snow, and definitely better than the Pirellis. Also, these tires, unlike the Pirellis, can be driven in the wet, although I don't intend to ever drive in the rain.

So, the Pirellis, with only 150 miles on them, are now in my climate-controlled basement waiting for spring, when they will face the track. In the mean time, I will be driving the Dark Horse on the Michelins throughout nice, sunny, dry, and warmer winter days here in Southeaster Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43 winter days here in South Easter Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43.

Those are cool tires, no doubt! Another alternative would be The "Cold Weather Performance" King - Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus

If you want to actually enjoy the 500hp when it’s 35 degrees out, this is the move. It’s an ultra-high-performance all-season tire that maintains a massive amount of grip in the cold. Unlike the Michelins, these won't feel "greasy" when the sun goes down.

 

[Barstoolman]

Those are cool tires, no doubt! Another alternative would be The "Cold Weather Performance" King - Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus

If you want to actually enjoy the 500hp when it’s 35 degrees out, this is the move. It’s an ultra-high-performance all-season tire that maintains a massive amount of grip in the cold. Unlike the Michelins, these won't feel "greasy" when the sun goes down.

Great tires but, they don’t make the 19” staggered sizes for the dark horse with handling package.

 

[Redrobin9965]

I got my new Dark Horse with the handling package six weeks ago and have managed to put in only ~200 miles. It is not even broken in yet, and we are entering winter, which will make it hard to enjoy the car for the next few months.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires that came with it, are ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer and then only on the track. In the cold of winter, at temperatures below 40, these tires become hard and brittle, lose traction, and can break like glass.

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems. Sure, traction in winter may not be at track-level, but it is good enough for normal driving in cold temperatures without snow, and definitely better than the Pirellis. Also, these tires, unlike the Pirellis, can be driven in the wet, although I don't intend to ever drive in the rain.

So, the Pirellis, with only 150 miles on them, are now in my climate-controlled basement waiting for spring, when they will face the track. In the mean time, I will be driving the Dark Horse on the Michelins throughout nice, sunny, dry, and warmer winter days here in Southeaster Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43 winter days here in South Easter Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43.

every sports car i have owned the 1st thing that is done is to put the best All Season tires on the car. Even though I get no snow it gets cold enough for summer tires to be useless. And my ex wife lives in VA so who wants to stress about traction.

 

[Redrobin9965]

Those are cool tires, no doubt! Another alternative would be The "Cold Weather Performance" King - Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus

If you want to actually enjoy the 500hp when it’s 35 degrees out, this is the move. It’s an ultra-high-performance all-season tire that maintains a massive amount of grip in the cold. Unlike the Michelins, these won't feel "greasy" when the sun goes down.

I have owned those tires when I lived in New York on one of my GTs and it was incredible traction even with ice. I was driving around after midnight and no issues with the slush and ice. If I still lived in New York those would be my go to tires.

 

[Redrobin9965]

"Traction was great at 35 degrees" makes me question the entire "review"...

I can attest to those tires from owning them on 2008 Shelby gt and living in New York. I tried hard as hell to lose traction in snowy crappy weather and never lost traction.

 

[akawease]

I wore down my rear tires (Perilli) at around 19,000 miles. Not sure why, as I am not a speed demon. I use my Mustang but I am not an abuser. I switched to MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S for the rear tires. I have 10,000 more mile on my front tires and still not much wear on them. I am loving my Michelin tires though. The grip is good and the wear indicates longer lasting. I don't know about Michelin front tires as my Perilli's are doing great.

 

[DarkHorsePremium]

Driving on Conti's for over 11 yrs now. Very happy with their wet / dry, cold weather performance. They are my favorite tire for NorCal, year around. I'll switch to them when the P Zeros wear out. I don't go to the track.

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