List of EU forum orders

[Gregs24]

For the second time, the video refers to a Dark Horse. The Dark Horse with a manual transmission is about £70k. An early S550 was faster to 60 and circa £35k. So £70k is about twice the price. So my original statement that an early S550 was half the price and faster on the 0-60 metric is correct. £35k is about £47k in today’s money, a base (slower) Mustang GT is about £8k more.

As i said i don’t want to get into a debate about transmission but a 50/50 split says a lot about the markets view on the 10 speed. I think for Porsche about 85% go automatic.

Of course it’s my opinion on the regulations. Just like it’s your opinion that you don’t see any issue with the regulations, even when a new £70k Mustang is slower to 60 than a previous generation £35k Mustang.

Your original statement that it is half the price and slower is clearly incorrect, as you ignore inflation. £70k today is not double £35k from 2016 in inflation corrected terms. But then you prove your own statement incorrect yourself, so not really sure what your point is?

The difference is very small 0-60, certainly tyres, temperature etc will all make a difference as will the rear axle ratio. A few 10ths here or there will not be noticeable on the road. You don't want to get into a debate about transmission but then express an opinion again - make your mind up

But then you know all this as you post the same old stuff about how awful / slow / expensive the S650 is for months now - simple, don't worry about it and don't buy one. We get it - you don't want an S650, move on!

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[Bullit]

There you go again.

The video features a Dark Horse, priced around £70k, even with a manual transmission. An early S550 Mustang GT manual was about £35k, so £35k x 2 equals £70k.

It’s great that you have no issues with the automatic – fantastic. From my reading, around 80% of reviews recommend the manual instead. But I’m not here to debate transmissions - choose whatever suits you best. The Dark Horse manual does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, while the S550 manual did it in 4.8 seconds. Since 4.8 seconds is faster than 5.2, this means the S550 is faster based on that metric.

Torque and horsepower are mathematically connected, and both matter. For performance cars, many would argue that the rate at which work is done is more crucial.

The regulations are ridiculous. They’ve restricted the potential of these V8 cars. Love to know the emissions of the Lamborghini Aventador V12.

I can't believe a 2016 GT manual 420hp is faster that a 460hp Dark Horse.

 

[JamesAnd]

I can't believe a 2016 GT manual 420hp is faster that a 460hp Dark Horse.

Yep unbelievable but weight , gearing etc all have an effect.

 

[keithwalton]

What is the stock tyres on the S550 ? As the S650 does appear to be traction limited on the Pirreli's

Automobile catalogue which simulates vehicles performance based on power / weight and gear ratio's (mostly ignores traction) puts the S650 (both manual) fractionally faster.
The 550 does have slightly shorter gear ratios and a lower redline which means the shift point is much earlier (44 vs 53mph to 2nd, 67vs 76mph to 3rd)

Power curves as has been stated are very similar with the S650 having more top end. The S650 is also heavier.

Auto vs auto there is no comparison, the 10-speed in the S650 leaves the S550 in it's wake.

 

[Gregs24]

What is the stock tyres on the S550 ? As the S650 does appear to be traction limited on the Pirreli's

Automobile catalogue which simulates vehicles performance based on power / weight and gear ratio's (mostly ignores traction) puts the S650 (both manual) fractionally faster.
The 550 does have slightly shorter gear ratios and a lower redline which means the shift point is much earlier (44 vs 53mph to 2nd, 67vs 76mph to 3rd)

Power curves as has been stated are very similar with the S650 having more top end. The S650 is also heavier.

Auto vs auto there is no comparison, the 10-speed in the S650 leaves the S550 in it's wake.

Interesting the power curves there. The 2016 car clearly behaves 'normally' but the 2024 cars have a flattened top. This fits in perfectly with the emissions controls over 6k rpm as you would otherwise expect the curves to peak around 480PS. Also fits is with what others have reported that the only difference between the UK/Europe cars and the US cars is above 6k rpm. We don't have a 'strangled' engine, just a 'capped' engine which you will not notice on the road.

In addition the torque curves only really differ after 4500rpm so the difference between the cars in acceleration will be small, and as the newer cars are heavier the difference is minute. Just think for a minute how the two different cars are accelerating for 5 seconds, there will only be a fraction of a second where the difference in torque actually applies just before a gearchange.

 

[Bullit]

Yep unbelievable but weight , gearing etc all have an effect.

I would like to see a comparison of both cars with similar tyres on track. I'm pretty sure the Dark Horse would be faster than 2016 GT.

 

[keithwalton]

Interesting the power curves there. The 2016 car clearly behaves 'normally' but the 2024 cars have a flattened top. This fits in perfectly with the emissions controls over 6k rpm as you would otherwise expect the curves to peak around 480PS. Also fits is with what others have reported that the only difference between the UK/Europe cars and the US cars is above 6k rpm. We don't have a 'strangled' engine, just a 'capped' engine which you will not notice on the road.

In addition the torque curves only really differ after 4500rpm so the difference between the cars in acceleration will be small, and as the newer cars are heavier the difference is minute. Just think for a minute how the two different cars are accelerating for 5 seconds, there will only be a fraction of a second where the difference in torque actually applies just before a gearchange.

I'm not sure where they get the information from to do the curves but they're generally fairly accurate in my experience. They have almost every car ever made in the database, you can lose hours on that site if you're not careful.
I have compared my current SLC, to the DH and the M5 it's quite interesting to see how much of a low end torque monster the SLC is. (500NM from 1500-1750RPM)
You can plot us / eu s650's on there. the eu is down across the band (540 vs 560nm torque) but you're right it's the top end that hits a wall.
Flat torque and flat power are both a thing though they're usually on turbo cars and are intake related.
Flat torque is a boost pressure limit. Flat power is an air mass flow limit.

Also with the S650 having the torsen diff in the EU should help traction in real world situations.

Brochure 0-60 times are worth as much as the quoted horsepower in the same book, zilch.

 

[CaesarX]

Gentlemen, I am going to give you some feeling... I had a 2019 GT auto convertible, now i bought a 2024 GT auto convertible, i only drove about 1500km so its a little bit early but i cannot feel any difference, nor acceleration nor handling, both with magneride.
The numbers may say something different, but this is only im papers... in roads i cannot feel any difference at all.
The 2024 is more beautiful outside, more than the pictures shows, once inside you can see many many differences, everything better, now after two weeks i like the newer model more than the old one.

 

[Bullit]

Gentlemen, I am going to give you some feeling... I had a 2019 GT auto convertible, now i bought a 2024 GT auto convertible, i only drove about 1500km so its a little bit early but i cannot feel any difference, nor acceleration nor handling, both with magneride.
The numbers may say something different, but this is only im papers... in roads i cannot feel any difference at all.
The 2024 is more beautiful outside, more than the pictures shows, once inside you can see many many differences, everything better, now after two weeks i like the newer model more than the old one.

In the handling you should feel some difference.

 

[CaesarX]

In the handling you should feel some difference.

To be 100% accurate, the steering is a little more direct and firm (not much), and the ride is stiffer, but really only a little, as I said the feeling is very very similar.
They engineers cannot do very much as they only change calibrations.

 

[MRI204]

Hello everyone!

I finally received the order number from my dealer but I can't find the Ford chat on the Italian site to see if they can also provide the VIN code so I can access the Ford Vehicle Tracker!

Can anyone help me?


Thanks

 

[VLG]

Hello everyone!

I finally received the order number from my dealer but I can't find the Ford chat on the Italian site to see if they can also provide the VIN code so I can access the Ford Vehicle Tracker!

Can anyone help me?


Thanks

Ho chiesto varie volte e mi hanno detto che non c'è modo di controllare lo stato dell'ordine da parte del cliente, purtroppo devi contattare il tuo venditore e farti dare le informazioni da lui.

 

[keithwalton]

Hello everyone!

I finally received the order number from my dealer but I can't find the Ford chat on the Italian site to see if they can also provide the VIN code so I can access the Ford Vehicle Tracker!

Can anyone help me?


Thanks

The tracker only works on American and Canadian orders (they each have there own tracker site) you will be e-mailed a vin when it has been scheduled by ford direct. Your dealer will also have it when it's available and will be able to check the status.

If there is ford chat in italy it will appear on the menu bottom right of the main page but it can be flakey and only appears when an agent is free.

Try the options on the support page, they do list an email [email protected] they might reply!

 

[MRI204]

The tracker only works on American and Canadian orders (they each have there own tracker site) you will be e-mailed a vin when it has been scheduled by ford direct. Your dealer will also have it when it's available and will be able to check the status.

If there is ford chat in italy it will appear on the menu bottom right of the main page but it can be flakey and only appears when an agent is free.

Try the options on the support page, they do list an email [email protected] they might reply!

Very kind of you for your reply!
And thanks for mentioning the support email.

I will keep you posted and if I have any updates I will add them here.

Thanks

 

[Saburak]

The post doesn't seem up-to-date on deliveries... Are some people still waiting for their Mustang? VLG, Nico...?

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