How do we save the mustang?

[Bikeman315]

As long as ford sits and copies others, it won’t get any better.

Well that's not necessarily true. Sometimes copying actually improves the product. In my field, consumer electronics, we saw this all the time. Betamax, VHS, cassettes, CD's, & DVD's all were improved after companies starting coping others products. Would I like to see more innovation from Ford, hell yeah. But the things that are developing aren't going to help us enthusiasts.

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[Sharkman]

Well, I can tell you for a fact that EV's do NOT have less warranty costs, at least the Mach E and Lightnings. One battery negates all teh little BS stice that goes wrong with ICE cars, at least for now. I believe, if left to gro on its own,m that the EV market will increase gradually to a pretty large market share, but its been forced and propped up and subsidized do far, and that is not sustainable.
Oh, how are the EV people in the north faring with the last 2 winter storms? We had a cold snap (for us) a couple of weeks ago, and the phones were ringing off the wall with Mach E and Lightning customer want to bring their vehicles in because their range had dropped in half, and "somehting HAS to be wrong with it"

All I know about the EV's is this. Every year I drive back to Phoenix to visit family and friends. At about the 300 miles point on I5, I have to pull in for gas just before heading into the Grapevine to pick up I 10 into Phoenix. At that stop there are literally 60 EV's recharging for 3 hours while I make a 15 minute refill at the gas station. Either they need to increase the speed of recharging without the battery exploding or have batteries that will last for say 600 miles. The total trip is 785 miles each way, I spend 30 minutes at the gas pumps. 12 hours give or take for the trip. If I was on an EV I most likely would ne a hotel for the night while the EV recharged. When they can recharge the batteries in 20 minutes, and go about 300+ miles per charge, then I can say I might get one.

 

[Bikeman315]

They can lock the EU cars. No need in the USA.

ID GET INTO “laws and regulations, and how those change based on people in lower, but then Greg will whine and say I’m getting political - even though you brought it up.

Ford did not HAVE to.
It IS no doubt easier to track warranty and also for Ford to keep the aftermarket money to themselves by doing this (Ford approved FP Whipple kit tunes, etc)

if Ford is wise, they’ll hit reset on that idea.

You tend to look at things from a very narrow point of view. Ford is a gallizion dollar global business. The Mustang, enthusiasts, the aftermarket, tunes, etc. are nothing more than a grain in the Sahara. Honestly it's not even on their day to day radar. Now EV,s the F150, SUV's, that perks their ears up. To believe otherwise is just naive.

 

[Bikeman315]

All I know about the EV's is this. Every year I drive back to Phoenix to visit family and friends. At about the 300 miles point on I5, I have to pull in for gas just before heading into the Grapevine to pick up I 10 into Phoenix. At that stop there are literally 60 EV's recharging for 3 hours while I make a 15 minute refill at the gas station. Either they need to increase the speed of recharging without the battery exploding or have batteries that will last for say 600 miles. The total trip is 785 miles each way, I spend 30 minutes at the gas pumps. 12 hours give or take for the trip. If I was on an EV I most likely would ne a hotel for the night while the EV recharged. When they can recharge the batteries in 20 minutes, and go about 300+ miles per charge, then I can say I might get one.

Better get on line because what you are asking for is right down the line. 500 mike range and sub 30 minute charging. Welcome to the near future.

 

[9secondko]

You tend to look at things from a very narrow point of view. Ford is a gallizion dollar global business. The Mustang, enthusiasts, the aftermarket, tunes, etc. are nothing more than a grain in the Sahara. Honestly it's not even on their day to day radar. Now EV,s the F150, SUV's, that perks their ears up. To believe otherwise is just naive.

not buying your take = narrow.

ok.

the reality is, I take the point of view that the mustang should be the best it can be and the v8 should too. That’s in addition to ev development.

your view is that the v8 should go bye bye. I’d say that’s the more narrow and exclusionary. If you know, if words have meaning.

 

[Sharkman]

Better get on line because what you are asking for is right down the line. 500 mike range and sub 30 minute charging. Welcome to the near future.

 

[Sharkman]

I will believe it when I see it!

 

[9secondko]

I will believe it when I see it!

exactly. When it’s actually here, then great. EVs will be a little closer to matching ICE livability.

 

[Bikeman315]

not buying your take = narrow.

ok.

the reality is, I take the point of view that the mustang should be the best it can be and the v8 should too. That’s in addition to ev development.

your view is that the v8 should go bye bye. I’d say that’s the more narrow and exclusionary. If you know, if words have meaning.

Should it? Well I hope we can keep it around longer. Will it? Doubtful but see “should it”.

 

[smurfslayer]

Well, I can tell you for a fact that EV's do NOT have less warranty costs, at least the Mach E and Lightnings. One battery negates all teh little BS stice that goes wrong with ICE cars, at least for now. I believe, if left to gro on its own,m that the EV market will increase gradually to a pretty large market share, but its been forced and propped up and subsidized do far, and that is not sustainable.
Oh, how are the EV people in the north faring with the last 2 winter storms? We had a cold snap (for us) a couple of weeks ago, and the phones were ringing off the wall with Mach E and Lightning customer want to bring their vehicles in because their range had dropped in half, and "somehting HAS to be wrong with it"

Has anyone ever told you: Facts destroy a perfectly good narrative? ;-)

Better get on line because what you are asking for is right down the line. 500 mike range and sub 30 minute charging. Welcome to the near future.

Said every EV sales(wo)man ever.

 

[SSuperDave]

Toyota's solid state battery technology promises 800-900 mile range with sub 30 minute charging time. Its a comin...
We have come Mach E customer that love them, but they bought knoing what they were getting into. Bandwagon jumpers, well they traded pretty quickly. But a $60K Mach E was wholesaleing for $28K a year later.

 

[Sharkman]

Here in the greater Sacramento area, I see mostly Tesla's and all the charging stations pretty full all the time. They even have charging stations at the movie theater by my home. That is still not enough for me to get one.

 

[Zig]

Here in the greater Sacramento area, I see mostly Tesla's and all the charging stations pretty full all the time. They even have charging stations at the movie theater by my home. That is still not enough for me to get one.

When the spots are located up front in preferred parking it makes me wonder, do they issue handicap violation citations when ice uses the public spot?

 

[9secondko]

Has anyone ever told you: Facts destroy a perfectly good narrative? ;-)



Said every EV sales(wo)man ever.

some of these guys don’t think we can see through the “but hey guys, I love my v8!” Jive when they’ve actively campaigned against it and for turning the mustang EV ONLY FOR YEARS. Also campaigning to turn the mustang into an ev pre-Mach e was pretty telling as well.

 

[SSuperDave]

I thik at the end of this 19 page thread, its plain tha WE don't have any say in whether the Mustang is "saved" or not. We did our part, we bought them, the rest is up to the suits at Ford. And be assured that despite what any of them may say, the immediate $ is the ONLY deciding factor in anything that they do. If they spent a bit more on QC, they'd save a bundle in warranty expense, but they won't. To me, that is the big difference between the domestics and the Japs, the Japs (and Koreans) play the long game, and the domestics want todays $, with little thought for tomorrow.
I've worked for Ford and I've worked for Lexus, and the corporate culture is as different as night and day.

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