How do we save the mustang?

[Q6543]

It’s gonna be amazing, people concerned about the V8….. the cars/truck aren’t going to have steering wheels in a few gens..

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[9secondko]

I thik at the end of this 19 page thread, its plain tha WE don't have any say in whether the Mustang is "saved" or not. We did our part, we bought them, the rest is up to the suits at Ford. And be assured that despite what any of them may say, the immediate $ is the ONLY deciding factor in anything that they do. If they spent a bit more on QC, they'd save a bundle in warranty expense, but they won't. To me, that is the big difference between the domestics and the Japs, the Japs (and Koreans) play the long game, and the domestics want todays $, with little thought for tomorrow.
I've worked for Ford and I've worked for Lexus, and the corporate culture is as different as night and day.

Definitely truth in this post.

 

[9secondko]

It’s gonna be amazing, people concerned about the V8….. the cars/truck aren’t going to have steering wheels in a few gens..

Oh man! That sounds soooo amazing!

“hey siri… drive real fast down this track for me..”

Oh wait…

 

[Gregs24]

no dude. You don’t know it. You WANT it. Clearly. It’s not like you haven’t laid that out already. No need to pretend.

Also no your dream scenario wasn’t planned 20 years ago. The last truly great ceo Mullaly was impressively pushing the v8 and developing the ecoboost at that time, pulling Ford out of the auto crisis without government handouts like GM received.

since then, we’ve had to sit by and watch Ford struggle. As long as ford sits and copies others, it won’t get any better.

You don't seem to be getting this do you? I love my V8 Mustang! How many times do I have to repeat that?

Not sure where 20 years comes from - something you made up? I clearly said car product planning is 8 to 10 years ahead of release - please refer to my post you quoted to confirm this!

I am also a realist and can clearly see the direction of travel - as can you or you wouldn't keep banging on about how good V8's were when you can clearly see they are fizzling out.

 

[Gregs24]

They can lock the EU cars. No need in the USA.

ID GET INTO “laws and regulations, and how those change based on people in lower, but then Greg will whine and say I’m getting political - even though you brought it up.

Ford did not HAVE to.
It IS no doubt easier to track warranty and also for Ford to keep the aftermarket money to themselves by doing this (Ford approved FP Whipple kit tunes, etc)

if Ford is wise, they’ll hit reset on that idea.

Erm try doing a bit of research on this. The encrypted and locked down nature of the systems is platform based and clearly there is no point Ford developing two routes for this on the same car. Plus the compliance is required in Europe and the US so a pointless suggestion!

Note that as an example Porsche have stopped selling the 718 in most of Europe because it is not cybersecurity compliant and the product is end of life so no point spending money on the platform.

Your petty US politics makes no difference - the car has a single system compliant for all markets, if they open it up for the US then it is open for the world in effect as news travels fast!

 

[Zig]

You don't seem to be getting this do you? I love my V8 Mustang! How many times do I have to repeat that?

Not sure where 20 years comes from - something you made up? I clearly said car product planning is 8 to 10 years ahead of release - please refer to my post you quoted to confirm this!

I am also a realist and can clearly see the direction of travel - as can you or you wouldn't keep banging on about how good V8's were when you can clearly see they are fizzling out.

https://www.slashgear.com/1583946/yamaha-v8-hydrogen-engine-how-much-horsepower-what-know/

 

[Gregs24]

All I know about the EV's is this. Every year I drive back to Phoenix to visit family and friends. At about the 300 miles point on I5, I have to pull in for gas just before heading into the Grapevine to pick up I 10 into Phoenix. At that stop there are literally 60 EV's recharging for 3 hours while I make a 15 minute refill at the gas station. Either they need to increase the speed of recharging without the battery exploding or have batteries that will last for say 600 miles. The total trip is 785 miles each way, I spend 30 minutes at the gas pumps. 12 hours give or take for the trip. If I was on an EV I most likely would ne a hotel for the night while the EV recharged. When they can recharge the batteries in 20 minutes, and go about 300+ miles per charge, then I can say I might get one.

Thread drift but 3 hours to recharge is not normal in places with infrastructure appropriate to demand. They can charge much faster than that without the battery 'exploding'. 300 miles on a 20 minute charge is possible now in Europe (Tesla superchargers are 200 miles in 15 minutes) and in fact the release of semi solid state and solid state batteries in cars this year makes the process even quicker as the battery can be smaller, lighter but more dense and less temperature dependent. These are not pipe dreams for the future - they are happening now.

Look at more developed countries with regard to EV's to see what is possible and happening now.

 

[Gregs24]

I will believe it when I see it!

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[Gregs24]

Toyota's solid state battery technology promises 800-900 mile range with sub 30 minute charging time. Its a comin...
We have come Mach E customer that love them, but they bought knoing what they were getting into. Bandwagon jumpers, well they traded pretty quickly. But a $60K Mach E was wholesaleing for $28K a year later.

2025 MG semi-solid-state EV won’t be expensive, claims brand | Autocar

It says 'next year' in the title but is now this year

Prototype Ride: 2026 Mercedes CLA Ready to Reinvent Itself as EV

CLA later this year hugely efficient at 5.2 miles/kWh compared to 1.5 for the F150 lightning

Breakthrough 1000km driving range semi-solid state battery reaches production: New Chinese electric car beats Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen to beating range anxiety - Car News | CarsGuide

 

[Gregs24]

exactly. When it’s actually here, then great. EVs will be a little closer to matching ICE livability.

It is here

 

[Gregs24]

some of these guys don’t think we can see through the “but hey guys, I love my v8!” Jive when they’ve actively campaigned against it and for turning the mustang EV ONLY FOR YEARS. Also campaigning to turn the mustang into an ev pre-Mach e was pretty telling as well.

You still don't get it!

Nothing to see through, no campaigning just realism

 

[Bikeman315]

It is here

Shhhhh, don't tell them. It doesn't fit inside their little box!

 

[Gregs24]

It’s gonna be amazing, people concerned about the V8….. the cars/truck aren’t going to have steering wheels in a few gens..

Be careful what you wish for!

Lexus Committed to Yoke Steering Wheel, But It's Still a Year Away

Completely drive by wire.

Mind you the Benz Motorwagen had tiller steering!

 

[9secondko]

https://www.slashgear.com/1583946/yamaha-v8-hydrogen-engine-how-much-horsepower-what-know/

looks destined to go into a Mach 1 -true shaker hood and everything.

 

[Gregs24]

Shhhhh, don't tell them. It doesn't fit inside their little box!

They keep shouting at the sky but meanwhile the world moves on without them.

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