How do we save the mustang?

[Joe_Stang]

In which case it wouldn't be a Civic. Have you seen how low the 'hood' is. It is impossible to fit a V8 in a Civic and still retain the size, never mind that a Civic is FWD. Why not try a Mini or even a Kei car

Have you noticed that the Ecoboost Mustang with a much smaller engine is almost as fast as the V8 and more economical - that really doesn't align with your comments does it!

It is only you droning on about this - the rest of the world and all of the car makers went smaller, less cylinders and forced induction years ago for very good reasons. If you were right they wouldn't have done it - give it some thought!

The ecoboost mustang is only comparable in the 0-60 range, after that the GT will dust it no problem. I had a 2015 ecoboost with full bolt ons and tuned and it still couldn't hang with the GT in the higher speeds. Not to mention those motors are prone to blowing up when driven hard where as the GT can be driven hard all day and night no issue. Also, ofcourse it's more economical....it's a 4 cylinder.

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[Bear376]

It’s fun checking out all the rumors and forecasts that might affect the Mustang. Ford has hinted that they may have another car in the works There is a potential new rotary (non-Wankel) that is supposed to be environmentally friendly. We have heard that before, but who knows when one of these ideas will bear fruit. Ford will try to keep the V8 for as long as they can, but at some point progress will make the ICE we know and love, a dinosaur.

 

[9secondko]

It’s fun checking out all the rumors and forecasts that might affect the Mustang. Ford has hinted that they may have another car in the works There is a potential new rotary (non-Wankel) that is supposed to be environmentally friendly. We have heard that before, but who knows when one of these ideas will bear fruit. Ford will try to keep the V8 for as long as they can, but at some point progress will make the ICE we know and love, a dinosaur.

progress won’t kill the v8. Progress will improve it. The only thing that will kill an engine is the decision to do so.

 

[Bikeman315]

progress won’t kill the v8. Progress will improve it. The only thing that will kill an engine is the decision to do so.

Which virtually ever manufacturer on the planet is doing. No one is changing that. The only thing left is accepting it! Sorry.

 

[9secondko]

Which virtually ever manufacturer on the planet is doing. No one is changing that. The only thing left is accepting it! Sorry.

not when ford has publicly committed to pushing it forward.

And with a certsin event in the USA Today, I’ve s feeling we eill see a v8 resurgence.


sorry.

 

[DeluxeStang]

not when ford has publicly committed to pushing it forward.

And with a certsin event in the USA Today, I’ve s feeling we eill see a v8 resurgence.


sorry.

Idk, these car brands have said presidential administrations have very little impact on the sort of cars they make. Which makes sense considering it takes longer than a presidential term just a develop a new car most of the time. I believe all brands have asked of whoever's in charge is to keep regulations relatively consistent. Constantly changing things back and forth is making the jobs of product planners almost impossible. Just leave the current regulations.

 

[9secondko]

Idk, these car brands have said presidential administrations have very little impact on the sort of cars they make. Which makes sense considering it takes longer than a presidential term just a develop a new car most of the time. I believe all brands have asked of whoever's in charge is to keep regulations relatively consistent. Constantly changing things back and forth is making the jobs of product planners almost impossible. Just leave the current regulations.

when one administration shuts down oil production, blocks new oil production, and declares climate change worse than hitler - and the new one yells out “drill, baby drill!” While stirring the confidence of corporate leaders yeah, I’d say it’s a really big deal. Normally I’d agree about short terms, but after the absolute disaster of the last four years, I think American will prefer to steer clear of the soy for a while and enjoy prosperity instead.

we can have 4 bangers, EVs, and v8s. No reason not to. The soy sniffers can drive around in the RC cars, the less affluent can drive the 4banger, and those who want to enjoy the ride can buy the v8 in multiple flavors.

It’s pretty simple actually.

 

[Gregs24]

The ecoboost mustang is only comparable in the 0-60 range, after that the GT will dust it no problem. I had a 2015 ecoboost with full bolt ons and tuned and it still couldn't hang with the GT in the higher speeds. Not to mention those motors are prone to blowing up when driven hard where as the GT can be driven hard all day and night no issue. Also, ofcourse it's more economical....it's a 4 cylinder.

Of course it is a bit slower but not in a different world. If there was no V8 the Ecoboost would be a perfectly rapid car. Whilst the 2.3 has had a few issues there are plenty of smaller engines with bulletproof reliability (Honda come to mind). The point was that you don't need a V8 for performance (and certainly not for efficiency) there are cheaper and more economical alternatives.

I love my V8 but I'm not in dreamland and think it is the best option for every car!

 

[Gregs24]

Idk, these car brands have said presidential administrations have very little impact on the sort of cars they make. Which makes sense considering it takes longer than a presidential term just a develop a new car most of the time. I believe all brands have asked of whoever's in charge is to keep regulations relatively consistent. Constantly changing things back and forth is making the jobs of product planners almost impossible. Just leave the current regulations.

Plus carmakers are global companies with global products - US politics makes no difference

 

[Gregs24]

when one administration shuts down oil production, blocks new oil production, and declares climate change worse than hitler - and the new one yells out “drill, baby drill!” While stirring the confidence of corporate leaders yeah, I’d say it’s a really big deal. Normally I’d agree about short terms, but after the absolute disaster of the last four years, I think American will prefer to steer clear of the soy for a while and enjoy prosperity instead.

we can have 4 bangers, EVs, and v8s. No reason not to. The soy sniffers can drive around in the RC cars, the less affluent can drive the 4banger, and those who want to enjoy the ride can buy the v8 in multiple flavors.

It’s pretty simple actually.

No politics in the this forum is very clear in the terms.

As to the generally insulting a demeaning references to people who choose to drive something that isn't a V8 for valid reasons - why do you feel the need to say that? What will it achieve?

 

[LETHAL]

Make them vendor tunable, NA. But this would almost be too little, too late.

It is going to take an agreeable to the consumer platform redesign. Contained MSRP . And, the ability for the buyer to go get a tune and bolt on modifications within a reasonable time from launch (4-6 months).

That is my theory to saving the Mustang.

 

[Gregs24]

Make them vendor tunable, NA. But this would almost be too little, too late.

It is going to take an agreeable to the consumer platform redesign. Contained MSRP . And, the ability for the buyer to go get a tune and bolt on modifications within a reasonable time from launch (4-6 months).

That is my theory to saving the Mustang.

That will never happen I'm afraid. It varies by country obviously but ECU's are locked deliberately to prevent tuning modifications which change the vehicle emissions. That and for cybersecurity reasons too - you get one or the other but not both.

 

[Bikeman315]

not when ford has publicly committed to pushing it forward.

And with a certsin event in the USA Today, I’ve s feeling we eill see a v8 resurgence.


sorry.

You do realize I want you to be right.

 

[Zig]

That will never happen I'm afraid. It varies by country obviously but ECU's are locked deliberately to prevent tuning modifications which change the vehicle emissions. That and for cybersecurity reasons too - you get one or the other but not both.

Unless you’re military, government, or a racecar?

 

[Gregs24]

You do realize I want you to be right.

I love my V8 but I know it is the end of the road. I don't think short term political changes in the US, whichever way they are, make much difference to product planning for a global company. What is being produced now was planned 8 to 10 years ago and likewise what is being planned now will be made in 2030 ish.

Not to say legacy products will not continue but they will not get any serious investment.

The realists know that the current Mustang and platform will run on until the market cannot sustain it any more and that a replacement Mustang will be an EV. There is a huge opportunity for Ford there, let's hope they grasp it.

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