Are the side mirrors with turn signals plug and play?

[RaceRedder]

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[RaceRedder]

I just placed these parts in my cart.

Side mirror left and right with turn signal
Side mirror cover left and right with turn signal
Black Dark Horse door grip left and right
Black Dark Horse door handle left and right (no memory)

Since I have to open my door panel to remove the side mirrors, I decided to change the chrome door grips and handles with the black ones.

Anybody can confirm the parts I selected are right? I'm afraid to pay and end up with the wrong ones since I can't return the parts back.

 

[roket]

here's some part numbers
Dark Horse right interior door handle: PR3Z-6322600-CA
Dark Horse left interior door handle (no memory): PR3Z-6322601-CB
Dark Horse left grab handle: PR3Z-6322635-BA
Dark Horse right grab handle: PR3Z-6322634-BA

everything seems to be correct

 

[IFFV68]

My Mustang has the Recaro seats and 401A package but no side turn signals.

How is that possible? Lol

I have a small problem now. My country has a law that side turn signals are mandatory.

Does anyone know if I order the mirrors with turn signals it will work plug and play?

I guess the car has the wiring for it since I have the 401A package.

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It seems crazy that Ricardo seats would delete, integrated turn signals.
since the Ricardo seats are not powered.
What the hell does it have to do with turn signals? It’s a seat.
When I ordered my GT 2024 Mustang 401-A package I did not order the Ricardo seats because my skinny ass won’t fit in them.
I slid across the seat, my pants would stick to the seat material.
I ordered our 2024 Mustang GT 401 a package on February 19, 2024 and the dealer didn’t say anything about the Ricardo seats not having turn signals on the mirrors.
I doubt they even knew back then.
I just glad I didn’t order the Ricardo’s

 

[RaceRedder]

Today I did some research to find out if my car has the wiring in the door panel for the turn signals on the side mirrors.

I found out that there are 3 different wires that could be used inside the door panel.

I'm not a technician, but from the small information I can read, I conclude as followed

Wire option 1:
- Ambient lighting interior Premium
- Dual Power (powered seats or mirrors??)
- Heated (heated seats or mirrors??)
- Pudd lamp mirror
- Signal (I hope they mean turn signal)

Wire option 2:
- Dual Power (powered seats or mirrors??)
- Spark Plug High Tention (No idea)
- Fold (European mirrors can fold)
- Puddle lamp mirror
- Signal
- Body side molding (no idea)

Wire option 3:
- Dual Power (powered seats or mirrors??)
- Heated (heated seats or mirrors??)
- Memory (I guess these are the memory seats)
- Puddle Lamp mirror
- App (No idea)
- Signal (I hope they mean turn signal )
- Body side molding (no idea)
- BLIS (blind spot information system)

Based on these 3 wires I can conclude that 'Wire option 2' is the European harness with folding side mirrors.

That means that there are only 2 wires left where 1 of the 2 is the one inside my car so it's either 'Wire option 1' or 'Wire option 3'

Both wires have the heated, dual power, signal and puddle lamps function.

Only 'Wire option 3' has the memory seats.

With this information I can conclude that 'Wire option 3' is the 401A package wire, because the memory seats are a 401A package option and that 'Wire option 1' is the standard wire on all non-401A package Mustangs.

This also says that the wires we have in our cars could handle more options then what your car is optioned with.

@roket

I hope you can confirm or add some of your knowledge about my research. This might also be interesting for you since you were interested in the folding mirrors which it looks that you need different wiring.

When I put my VIN number in, it says my car has 'Wire option 1' and that makes sense because Recaro seats delete a couple of options, especially the memory button on the doorpanel which is included in 'Wire option 3'.

To confirm that my findings are correct I also used a VIN number from another 401A car with regular seats and now the Ford car part finder said that 'Wire option 3' is inside the car.

This confirms that you will get the basic wiring (wire option 1) when choosing for the Recaro seats even if you have the 401A package.

But if I read it correctly, all wiring have turn signal preparation fitted.

The only shady thing is, why did Ford not give me the mirrors with turn signals if all wires are good to have working turn signals?

I guess they just wanted to cheap out on this or it was easier for their computer system to read the difference between Mustangs with the 401A package and Mustangs without the 401A package.

So for the US and Canadian market, they only use 2 different wires. 'Wire option 1' or 'Wire option 3'.

The easiest way for the Ford computer system to see which car should get what wire is by looking at the memory seats, which I don't have because of the Recaro's. And that's also probably the reason why my 401A car doesn't have 'Wire option 3' but the basic 'Wire option 1' instead.

In my case, this looks promising, and there is a high chance that buying side mirrors with turn signals would be plug and play.

But to have working turn signals, I have to trace this wire all the way back to the source. Wire option 1 can make the turn signals work, but if it's not fed from the source, it won't have working turn signals.

To find out if the source feeds these wires I have to do an even more deeper research which I think will be too difficult to trace.

Hopefully I made a good start for somebody else to trace it all the way back.

@Crew4991

What do you think about this so far?

 

[roket]

there are actually 5 different wiring harnesses per door
left door:
PR3Z-14631-DA power, heated, memory, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (401A, 201A, 700A)
PR3Z-14631-EA power, blis, less interior light group, 6 speaker (really basic spec)
PR3Z-14631-FA just says "power door lock double locking" (no idea)
PR3Z-14631-JA power, heated, folding, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (overseas)
PR3Z-14631-KA power, heated, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (used everywhere else)

right door:
PR3Z-14630-CA power, heated, memory, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (401A, 201A, 700A)
PR3Z-14630-DA power, blis, less interior light group, 6 speaker (really basic spec)
PR3Z-14630-FA also just says "power door lock double locking" (no idea)
PR3Z-14630-GA power, heated, folding, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (overseas)
PR3Z-14630-HA power, heated, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (used everywhere else)

also, i knew i would need a new door wiring harness for that. im not worried about it because it has all the features i need plus the folding, and i think all overseas models have memory seats

 

[RaceRedder]

there are actually 5 different wiring harnesses per door
left door:
PR3Z-14631-DA power, heated, memory, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (401A, 201A, 700A)
PR3Z-14631-EA power, blis, less interior light group, 6 speaker (really basic spec)
PR3Z-14631-FA just says "power door lock double locking" (no idea)
PR3Z-14631-JA power, heated, folding, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (overseas)
PR3Z-14631-KA power, heated, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (used everywhere else)

right door:
PR3Z-14630-CA power, heated, memory, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (401A, 201A, 700A)
PR3Z-14630-DA power, blis, less interior light group, 6 speaker (really basic spec)
PR3Z-14630-FA also just says "power door lock double locking" (no idea)
PR3Z-14630-GA power, heated, folding, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (overseas)
PR3Z-14630-HA power, heated, puddle lamps, blis, indicator (used everywhere else)

also, i knew i would need a new door wiring harness for that. im not worried about it because it has all the features i need plus the folding, and i think all overseas models have memory seats

Thanks for this addition.
The 3 I found are also the 3 out of the 5 you found.
So that's good and we are making progress.

What's also good is that the indicator harness is available inside my car, which can probably make the new installed side mirrors with indicators work right?

So what we now know is that there are 5 harnesses
- Overseas harness
- Premium + 401A harness
- Premium harness
- base harness
- unknown harness

Since I got the Recaro seats with the 401A package, my car has the Premium harness.

What I personally know is that the European Mustangs don't have the memory seats. That also confirms the option list for the overseas wire.

See the picture below. No memory buttons on the door.

 

[RaceRedder]

Below are my side mirrors with part number:
Left mirror assembly: PR3Z-17683-B
Right mirror assembly: PR3Z-17682-B

These side mirrors do not have turning signals.

What I found strange is that Ford OEM part mentions "signal" in the details. What do they mean with that? Do they mean the wiring on this side mirror has turning signals?

Could it be a possibility to just change the mirror caps and add the turning signal unit on these side mirrors?

 

[RaceRedder]

I'm getting even more confused.

I found a Mustang 2024 side mirror with turning signal and it has part number
pr3b-17682-cb54wf

The only mirrors with turning signals I know on the 2024 Mustang are PR3Z-17683-B and PR3Z-17682-B

I never seen this part number before.
Also the OEM Ford Parts website doesn't recognize this number and I can't find any internet search about this part number excelt the ebay advertisement.

Anybody has an idea why this part number exists?

@roket Can you solve this mystery?

 

[5.0ALM]

What I personally know is that the European Mustangs don't have the memory seats. That also confirms the option list for the overseas wire.

See the picture below. No memory buttons on the door.

I can confirm that Australian RHD Mustangs do not get the memory seats.

Mine:

And from the Aussie brochure:

I know copper is relatively expensive, but you would think it would still be cheaper overall to manage just one global-compatible SKU, instead of five.

 

[roket]

Below are my side mirrors with part number:
Left mirror assembly: PR3Z-17683-B
Right mirror assembly: PR3Z-17682-B

These side mirrors do not have turning signals.

What I found strange is that Ford OEM part mentions "signal" in the details. What do they mean with that? Do they mean the wiring on this side mirror has turning signals?

Could it be a possibility to just change the mirror caps and add the turning signal unit on these side mirrors?

that is very confusing. i dont know why its listed like that. ecat makes no mention of any of that, and the diagram clearly shows no signal on it

I'm getting even more confused.

I found a Mustang 2024 side mirror with turning signal and it has part number
pr3b-17682-cb54wf

The only mirrors with turning signals I know on the 2024 Mustang are PR3Z-17683-B and PR3Z-17682-B

I never seen this part number before.
Also the OEM Ford Parts website doesn't recognize this number and I can't find any internet search about this part number excelt the ebay advertisement.

Anybody has an idea why this part number exists?

@roket Can you solve this mystery?

what you found there is really odd. im not sure if that is an engineering number, because the prefix is correct for an engineering number, but the base is correct for a side mirror's part number. the suffix is also way too long, but if you truncate it to the first 2 characters, that is the correct suffix for the engineering number of a right side mirror with the indicator. i have never seen anything like that before

 

[roket]

I can confirm that Australian RHD Mustangs do not get the memory seats.

Mine:

And from the Aussie brochure:

I know copper is relatively expensive, but you would think it would still be cheaper overall to manage just one global-compatible SKU, instead of five.

looks like you're right, there are no folding mirror + memory seat combinations. ill figure something out, though

 

[roket]

I can confirm that Australian RHD Mustangs do not get the memory seats.

Mine:

And from the Aussie brochure:

I know copper is relatively expensive, but you would think it would still be cheaper overall to manage just one global-compatible SKU, instead of five.

after doing some looking, i have 2 choices. either buy the overseas harness and modify it with the connector and wires for memory seats, or keep the NA harness and modify 4 wires. my only possibly issue is that on the NA models, there is a special ground for BLIS, so i dont know if sending that to the regular ground will make the vehicle think the BLIS indicator is out. i think the answer is no because that is also used as the ground for the mirror's position sensor potentiometers, and i can disable those position sensors in the DDM and PDM with FORScan. none of this information is of value to RaceRedder since he is importing an NA Mustang and putting mirrors on also from an NA Mustang

 

[RaceRedder]

after doing some looking, i have 2 choices. either buy the overseas harness and modify it with the connector and wires for memory seats, or keep the NA harness and modify 4 wires. my only possibly issue is that on the NA models, there is a special ground for BLIS, so i dont know if sending that to the regular ground will make the vehicle think the BLIS indicator is out. i think the answer is no because that is also used as the ground for the mirror's position sensor potentiometers, and i can disable those position sensors in the DDM and PDM with FORScan. none of this information is of value to RaceRedder since he is importing an NA Mustang and putting mirrors on also from an NA Mustang

But still I'm interested in what you are up to, even tho I'm doing the 'easier' conversion.

I'm still searching for a picture of the harness that I have in my car to see what cables are in there, cause the Ford Oem parts and ecat are not saying the same thing.

 

[RaceRedder]

Today I got a wiring diagram based on my VIN. The person who looked it up for me said that the wires for the turn signal are there and it should be working plug and play.

Anybody has knowledge how to read this diagram? For me this is 100% Chinese

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