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Well my point is it's kinda like the voice show, all the singers are pretty good. As the competition progresses, the best singers are selected, and the best singer in theory wins. Even if they don't pick the best "singer" even the second best is pretty good. See what I mean.

Also looks like the hood will be noticably longer. If the s650 has these proportions, it may actually be able to overtake the s550 in terms of design appeal.

Exactly, if Tesla can make a battery pack that lasts 500k or more, imagine how long a brand like Ford, or Toyota, who have higher quality standards can make it last. I don't hate ICE either, our 2017 explorer has one of the most durable engines Ford ever designed, the 3.5 duratec v6, fantastic...

Bro, there's a ton of evidence to support the fact that ev batteries will last well beyond 100k. The overwhelming majority of ev batteries will last well beyond 100k in fact. I genuinely don't understand why you think 100k is like the point at which ev batteries die. Sure, some batteries need to...

Yeah, I created a sketch about a week ago that apparently is pretty close to what the s650 headlights will look like. Essentially the new escape headlights, but more agressive, with three led elements instead of two.

It will be a looker for sure, if the s550s design process is anything to go by, there were 100s of design sketches for the s650, and in theory, the best one out of the bunch was chosen.

What I'm saying is most batteries and electric motors can last at least as long, if not longer than your typical ICE motor man. Ford and Gm unless I'm mistaken are both targeting million mile durability for future battery packs, Toyota claims they're designing their batteries for future vehicles...

I mean, virtually all powertrains will last 10-15 years, but straight gas engines are probably less reliable than most hybrids and evs. Hybrids eliminate the most problematic parts from gas engines, like starters and alternators, and evs are very simple, with hardly any moving parts. So the...

It looks great, at least imo, negative surface treatment, which is what that is, is a great way to add tension and muscle to a surface. It's a new look, without being too new.

That's what I'm saying, I think people have valid points, but at the end of the day, we're comparing one heavily camouflaged car, to another heavily camouflaged car, one where we have close ups, another when the photos were taken from a considerable distance. Just feel like we don't have enough...

It sounds slightly different, at least to me, so maybe it's a powertrain mule. I see everyone's point, the v8 mule looks more s550 like than the first mule. But again, just seems like an odd move to throw camo all over an s550 if it hardly has any s650 parts. At that point, but use the same...

Personally, I think they're the same car, but I could be wrong.

So in other words, the mach-1 from an engineering standpoint, is what we can expect from the s650 gt. I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong.

I get the impression that the mach 1 will essentially reflect the performance levels of the base s650 gt, in the same way that the boss 302 was kinda the benchmark for the s550 gt. Makes sense, more brands are doing this, like Nissan when they put the engine planned for the new frontier into the...

I would bet that's exactly what they're planning, ditching the mt-82 I mean. Apparently, the tremec costs a similar amount to produce, and can be made at a similar scale to the mt-82, at least based on what I've heard. So there's no reason for them not to.

Maybe the main headlight lense is the same, or similar, but the LEDs are all new? I just genuinely don't understand why Ford would bother to apply such heavy camo to an s550. I've heard the working theory that some panels are from an s650, and they want to hide those. Fair enough, but two...

Everyone keeps saying this, but I think that's the final s650 design. The front looks longer, the roof looks lower. The front looks different as well.

If that was actually what they were doing, I would laugh my ass off, almost said ass my laugh off. Ah, it's been a long day lol.

Hey, don't be a soup Nazi, throw some of that liquid goodness my way lol.

Care to share lol?