I'm coming from a g80 m3 with manual transmission. Had an x3m before that which I regret selling.
Compared to the manual m3 the mustang wins. The bmw engine is great and makes a ton of power reliably but its nature goes much better with the auto zf8. Bmw is not investing anything in new manual...
I have owned two S58 cars.
One was an X3M tuned. That thing was basically an lifted xdrive M3 and it was a beast.
I also owned an M3 manual. Great car but I preferred the x3m in the long run.
The auto ZF8 and S58 engine is a match made in heaven.
Definitely get an S58 if you can, they are...
Modern V8✅️
Great manual transmission✅️
Excellent handling✅️
This is not the car I needed but its definitely the car I wanted.
Some day I'll get a more practical and quick EV(Ioniq 5 N) but not yet, not ready.
In Naples they say "Careful with the red light, more careful with the green light".
Agree, its chaos but somehow an ordinate chaos. Traffic reflecs people personality 😉
I doubt it but depends how they'll package the kit. If they add thottle bodies and open air filters it will be closer to $3,000. The gen3 s550 kit was close to $1,500 and only had 1 TB and air filter. Same logic as the oil separators: $250 for s550, $650 for s650.
If you want the manual get the Dark Horse and dont look back. You'll enjoy more the car every time you drive it.
Tremec, coolers, internals, rotors, deeper exhaust. Much value in those $2,700
Unbelievable how complicate these hibrids are getting. I'd take the previous ICE gen anyday rather than these new heavy overengineered monsters. Feels like they are trying too hard. At that point just go full electric(as they are doing for the new M3).
Possibly to save money. Integrating(vs optioning) guarantees predictable production numbers and reduces inventory overstock on complex and perishable components.
Why someone would insist on so many negative comments about mustangs on a mustang forum is beyond me. Also, blindly praising other brands in comparison is just hilarious. Are you trolling us?
It appears by your comments and lack of knowledge that you havent owned neither an g8x M or an S650...