Comparison Test: Mustang GTD Takes on 911 GT3 RS

[Bikeman315]

They have billions available but they only allocate so much to the Mustang program precisely for why you said, it’s low volume. So they are not going to do a GTD program AND other costly special editions. That’s why we got the GT500 1.1 instead of something new. And we probably BARELY got that if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly.

And Ford stock is about where it always is. I highly doubt the GTD is moved the needle for shareholders

You have totally misread my comment on the GTD and shareholders. It has nothing to do with sales of the GTD moving the needle. It’s about showing off, bragging rights, and look at me. Shareholders love that stuff. The GTD is a newsmaker and maybe just maybe more regular Mustang sales.

Also the GTD and S650 are two totally different lines of the budget spreadsheet. One has no financial impact on the other.

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[Bikeman315]

That will never happen in a 911. The largest engine they offer is the 4.0 flat6 in the GT3 so the space is not available for a V8. The chassis is not packaged for a V8, and the low center of gravity in a flat 6 has its advantages over the big head coyote, or any V8 for that matter. The flat 6 defines Porsche performance, it's part of their DNA.

Then why do they just make a new car to compete directly with the Mustang? Thats what some are asking Ford to do. Maybe a new 21st century 928!

 

[broncoboy22]

You have totally misread my comment on the GTD and shareholders. It has nothing to do with sales of the GTD moving the needle. It’s about showing off, bragging rights, and look at me. Shareholders love that stuff. The GTD is a newsmaker and maybe just maybe more regular Mustang sales.

Also the GTD and S650 are two totally different lines of the budget spreadsheet. One has no financial impact on the other.

I didn’t miss it at all. Shareholder excitement should translate to stock prices otherwise it’s meaningless. And Ford stock is pretty much where it always is lol. I know because I am a shareholder. (Not hard to be one when the stock is about $13/share)

So no it hasn’t really impacted much other than forum debate. I’m willing to be corrected if you can prove otherwise

And totally disagree with your last point. Both will fall under the Mustang program umbrella on Ford’s sheets. They don’t have an infinite budget for Mustang unfortunately. Need to be smart about what they invest in

 

[broncoboy22]

Then why do they just make a new car to compete directly with the Mustang? Thats what some are asking Ford to do. Maybe a new 21st century 928!

Because Porsche to my knowledge has never said they are “going after the Americans” or targeting the Mustang. So they don’t need to go trim for trim. We are the self proclaimed challenger in this instance. We need to put up or shut up essentially

 

[Rated R]

Then why do they just make a new car to compete directly with the Mustang? Thats what some are asking Ford to do. Maybe a new 21st century 928!

If Porsche is concerned with any other car on the market it's the Corvette. The 928 was a great car and Porsche initially wanted to replace the 911 with it. But Porsche customers kept buying the 911 as it was a more engaging package that continues to evolve over the generations. Porsche won't go back to a front engined GT car that would compete or replace the 911.

 

[Bikeman315]

Because Porsche to my knowledge has never said they are “going after the Americans” or targeting the Mustang. So they don’t need to go trim for trim. We are the self proclaimed challenger in this instance. We need to put up or shut up essentially

Man you are so over the top. Ford designed and built a car to do a sub seven minute lap at the ring. They did it. One car, one track. This didn’t mean they were going to compete with Porsche car for car. That’s never going to happen. There’s nothing wrong with dreaming but expecting the dream to become a reality is asking a bit much.

 

[Bikeman315]

If Porsche is concerned with any other car on the market it's the Corvette. The 928 was a great car and Porsche initially wanted to replace the 911 with it. But Porsche customers kept buying the 911 as it was a more engaging package that continues to evolve over the generations. Porsche won't go back to a front engined GT car.

Agreed. And the Mustang will never be a rear engined flat six because owners will never buy it.

 

[broncoboy22]

Man you are so over the top. Ford designed and built a car to do a sub seven minute lap at the ring. They did it. One car, one track. This didn’t mean they were going to compete with Porsche car for car. That’s never going to happen. There’s nothing wrong with dreaming but expecting the dream to become a reality is asking a bit much.

Stop, going sub 7 was awesome! But don’t ignore their other goals. I’m not making it up it’s what the company has stated.

Otherwise, why did they go back to the ring with whippled GTD after already breaking 7? Because the aren’t done…

 

[Bikeman315]

Stop, going sub 7 was awesome! But don’t ignore their other goals. I’m not making it up it’s what the company has stated.

Otherwise, why did they go back to the ring with whippled GTD after already breaking 7? Because the aren’t done…

I know, I know, it’s Farley’s competitive spirit. Nothing wrong with that. But it’s still just a one car, one track competition. The GTD has outrun the Porsche on other tracks. And regular Mustangs beat Porsche’s everyday. I really think we are getting too wrapped around in the axle over this whole thing.

 

[Rated R]

Agreed. And the Mustang will never be a rear engined flat six because owners will never buy it.

Both have their advantages. I don't feel that Mustang and 911 really compete with each other for actual buyers. If they did then I wouldn't have both.

And to the contrary, Corvette seems to be selling just fine after changing their front engine design to mid engine. If Ford followed suit I think it would sell perhaps even better than the Corvette. But yeah Ford offering a rear engine flat 6 would be absurd.

 

[Bikeman315]

Both have their advantages. I don't feel that Mustang and 911 really compete with each other for actual buyers. If they did then I wouldn't have both.

And to the contrary, Corvette seems to be selling just fine after changing their front engine design to mid engine. If Ford followed suit I think it would sell perhaps even better than the Corvette. But yeah Ford offering a rear engine flat 6 would be absurd.

I’m just glad we live in a world that has a GTD, DHSC, 911, and ZR1. We always want more but I’m grateful for what we have.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Both have their advantages. I don't feel that Mustang and 911 really compete with each other for actual buyers. If they did then I wouldn't have both.

And to the contrary, Corvette seems to be selling just fine after changing their front engine design to mid engine. If Ford followed suit I think it would sell perhaps even better than the Corvette. But yeah Ford offering a rear engine flat 6 would be absurd.

Wow, you sure have one hell of a car collection. I want to say something mean just because I am green with envy.

 

[Katastrophe]

Let's not forget that CHOICES are what really drives the competitive spirit with all manufacturers involved. Think of how good we had it in the mid-2010's...choices GALORE!

Every car company had it's niche/core audience and all of the cars sold pretty damn well to justify their existence, too. The big 3 from America were battling it out on the streets/track...the Germans going to war with each other with their super sedans/coupes...then the Italians, the Brits and the occasional Japanese entry (although I'd say the Japanese peaked much earlier...think 90's-00's).

Anyway, nostalgia always brings a tear to my eye. These things come in waves...perhaps another is coming our way?

EDIT: More importantly, everyone did things their own way. Not much copy-catting. They stuck to the formula that worked for them. Iron block vs Aluminum. Push rod vs OHC. FR vs MR vs RR. NA vs Boost. Pick your poison and enjoy!

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