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[Gregs24]

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Put me in that I don't give a shit attitude category. It's hilarious to me that this subject is even brought up on a Mustang forum.

Because some Mustang drivers are grown ups

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[Gregs24]

I believe your understanding is not correct. CAFE is regulation ; aka CFR based so a regulation would need to be promulgated to overturn it. This is not an executive order (well, technically, POTUS is ordering EPA to develop and promulgate a new regulation ), rather this would be a regulation updated in the code of federal regulations or CFR.

Subsequent administrations may revisit regulations, but it is a much, much more involved process, almost immediately followed by a court challenge and then an appeal. Previously, before Chevron deference was overturned, statistically 97% of federal regulations were sustained in court, with ATF/BATFE being the outlier, and something like 8 or 9% overturned in court (because ATF have a history of being fast and loose with facts ). Now, it's anybody's guess how it will play out because if the new standard is challenged and some activist judge decides, no, 50mpg is SETTLED SCIENCE!!! well, then an appeal and the settled science will have to be litigated.

Anyway, short story long, the CFR is being updated by EPA. Unlike E.O.'s, violations of the CFR can carry the same penalty as violating a law. Regulations must have a citation to and nexus to an enabling statute and must operate within the bounds of that statute or risk invalidation.
Enabling statute passed by Congress
Congress delegates enforcement and regulatory authority to the agency.
agency promulgates regulations to effect the policy of the statute. Their actions should be directly or sometimes indirectly authorized by said statute.





Thank you for perfectly illustrating 'no true Scotsman' to us as well as confirming there is simply no room in the climate change camp for any dissent, debate or discussion. You are either a believer, or a heretic.

I am relieved to now find out that only the poor will die if we don't enact the climate change wish list.

Let's make this easy and try and make some progress. I made 4 statements (copied below) and I have added a fifth for completion. Do you agree or disagree with each one - a yes or no will suffice.

The Earth is warming.

It is warming faster than it ever has before.

The cause of it is clear based on many detailed bits of evidence including the source of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

It is caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

Global warming causes climate change

 

[Puddinpop]

Because some Mustang drivers are grown ups

Considering you alone probably got 15+ posts on this topic that's pretty rich coming from you.

 

[Bikeman315]

Let's make this easy and try and make some progress. I made 4 statements (copied below) and I have added a fifth for completion. Do you agree or disagree with each one - a yes or no will suffice.

The Earth is warming.

It is warming faster than it ever has before.

The cause of it is clear based on many detailed bits of evidence including the source of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

It is caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

Global warming causes climate change

 

[Bikeman315]

Considering you alone probably got 15+ posts on this topic that's pretty rich coming from you.

When @Gregs24 gets on a roll it's hard to stop him. But take the time to read his posts. He makes a lot of sense, most of the time!

 

[Gregs24]

Come on give him a chance..

 

[Gregs24]

Considering you alone probably got 15+ posts on this topic that's pretty rich coming from you.

I wasn't aware there was a posting limit on any subject - my mistake

 

[Zig]

Let's make this easy and try and make some progress. I made 4 statements (copied below) and I have added a fifth for completion. Do you agree or disagree with each one - a yes or no will suffice.

The Earth is warming.

It is warming faster than it ever has before.

The cause of it is clear based on many detailed bits of evidence including the source of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

It is caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

Global warming causes climate change

Occam:

https://ugc.berkeley.edu/background-content/earths-spin-tilt-orbit/

https://www.nasa.gov/science-resear...lain-how-climate-is-changing-earths-rotation/

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1...axis-slightly-slowed-rotation-nasa-scientists

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a69644938/climate-change-sea-sponge-timeline/

But then, the price of tea in China doesn’t bother india?

 

[Epiphany]

This is a huge win for red blooded Americans and a loss for the group that tells you that a man can have a baby. Regulators, fire up the coal rollers.

Looking forward to comparing 2027 MY emissions test submissions in comparison to 2026 and prior.

 

[Bikeman315]

This is a huge win for red blooded Americans and a loss for the group that tells you that a man can have a baby. Regulators, fire up the coal rollers.

Looking forward to comparing 2027 MY emissions test submissions in comparison to 2026 and prior.

A man can’t have a baby? Next thing you’ll tell me is professional wrestling isn’t real!!

 

[smurfslayer]

Considering you alone probably got 15+ posts on this topic that's pretty rich coming from you.

Natives appear to be getting restless. We should probably pick a less controversial topic, like morning coffee vs. morning tea.

Let's make this easy and try and make some progress. I made 4 statements (copied below) and I have added a fifth for completion. Do you agree or disagree with each one - a yes or no will suffice.

The Earth is warming.

It is warming faster than it ever has before.

The cause of it is clear based on many detailed bits of evidence including the source of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

It is caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

Global warming causes climate change

We will not find 'common ground' beyond what's been previously posted, and in the interest of brevity
Most of the evidence I can find suggest the earth is warming, but if I am reading the global temp chart correctly, both 1925-1945 and 1979-1991 were more steep spikes in temperature than now.

I do not agree on the cause being clear, or _necessarily_ the cause being humans by themselves without more research and data. To clarify, I am not ruling that out.
https://climatechangetracker.org/global-warming/rate-of-change
WW2 is an obvious spike and high level, only towards the end of Vietnam do you see similar increase rates - about the time of rolling thunder and linebacker. The latter was 150k tons of ordnance. Maybe there's more to it.

What I am saying, and I strongly suspect you may take this personally, it is not intended as an insult, but you are putting way too much faith in the humanity that make up the scientific community and frankly should not be. I posted previously WRT climate gate.
One side uses climate gate to illustrate that the climate change agenda is a hoax, the other side proclaims that the scandal did not involve any manipulation of data, only manipulation of politicians and the public. That's lying, and I refer you back to John Gotti's simple, yet eloquent reason to not trust a liar. It's not the only instance, but it's probably the most infamous.
But lest we not forget, quite a lot of what we were told about Covid 19 turned out to be false and if you questioned the data, you were ridiculed, de-platformed, shadow banned all in the name of covid hysteria.

The scientific community has a veracity problem and just like when a police officer is busted lying under oath in court, we should question everything that "scientist" has touched, researched, reported on, commented on and opined about. Cops can easily lose their job for this, as any further testimony can be impeached by the defense so it renders that officer relatively useless as a witness. But scientists, much like baseball umpires, (US) football referees, weather forecasters - there's no tangible punishment for being wrong, or in the case of scientists- there's no tangible punishment for lying, and lobbying for legislation, regulations and policy based on data that has been embellished, exaggerated or made up. The climate change political lobby has done the scientific community no favors in this regard. Someone is feeding the political clowns data and it's bad. Hollywood also isn't doing the climate change lobby any favors because people see and hear the hyperbolic predictions of impending doom, the date & time of doom comes and goes and everyone moves on with life.

Sooner or later, people wake up to being hoodwinked, the climate lobby, backed by (at least some) climate "scientists" have only themselves to blame. They've cried wolf over and over and over and here we are. Who should we believe? Definitely not the climate scientific community, their political lobby, Al Gore, John Kerry and Greta Thunberg.

 

[Q6543]

Plot twist… Earth is a lost cause, so we need to generate as much electricity as possible to bring forth SpaceX, Neuralink, Tesla Optimus bots, A.I. and the data centers to link it all together.

Earth is inconsequential, strip it of all necessary materials.…we’re going galactic!

 

[Trueblue3605]

Yes how?

I am assuming he is referring to the impacts of climate change and unless ICE vehicle become VERY niche products he is right. We are dangerously close to disasterous outcomes for the climate. Children born today could face crop failures, fresh water shortages and beyond if they see a 3 degree (C) warmer planet and we are on track for worse. This is not a political statement. It is a scientific certainty supported by data.

 

[Zig]

I am assuming he is referring to the impacts of climate change and unless ICE vehicle become VERY niche products he is right. We are dangerously close to disasterous outcomes for the climate. Children born today could face crop failures, fresh water shortages and beyond if they see a 3 degree (C) warmer planet and we are on track for worse. This is not a political statement. It is a scientific certainty supported by data.

Earth wobbles. Do more people die from human caused earth responses or survive due to advancements in heating, cooling, and care (personal climate controls) ?

 

[Trueblue3605]

Earth wobbles. Do more people die from human caused earth responses or survive due to advancements in heating, cooling, and care (personal climate controls) ?

I do not debate climate science. This is not related to the Earths natural rhythm in its orbit. We know Earth wobbles and its relationship to climate. This is not that. If you wish to educate yourself on climate science and its relationship to greenhouse gas emissions cause by the burning of fossil fuels I would suggest climate.nasa.gov

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