Another dire sales report [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Mr Hyde]

Not really, electric stuff here has not sold, not even one.

its artificial pricing and artificial demand vs supply issues on fuel not ev or lack of demand for and ice car.

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[Ryunker]

its artificial pricing and artificial demand vs supply issues on fuel not ev or lack of demand for and ice car.

This makes no sense to me.

 

[Upacurb]

In addition to inflation I’m going to argue that they have lost their way with the Mustang over the last 10 years …

The Mustang stock used to be a piece of crap …just look at the fox body … but it was cheap compared to other cars in the market …

you could buy this cheap crappy car with a solid drivetrain and spend years modifying it … brakes … suspension… exhaust … so on and so on

I still remember header shoot outs … muffler shoot outs… cylinder head shoot outs

now all I see are threads on gas mileage… screens … and panel gaps …

they made the car so good … they took all the fun out of modifying them … now it’s just do you want a whipple or not …

but in doing this they made the car more expensive and now it’s in the same price range of BMW but without BMW paint or interior quality… at least the drivetrain rocks

launch a cheap mustang… with a great drivetrain that responds well to modifications and bolt ons … and make modifying mustangs great again …

going to car shows is boring when all cars are the same sans whipple or no whipple … wheels and some carbon fiber bits …

 

[erocker]

I suspect another factor is cars are just not as central (self image, lifestyle, hobby, etc) to recent American generations as they were/are to ours. Sadly.

Indeed! Because nobody can afford them!

 

[Mr Hyde]

This makes no sense to me.

intentional limit to the the production drilling and refinement of standard petrol. IE no offshore drilling, fracking or restrictions on where drilling can take place. Shutting down pipelines and other government related or corporate restrictions to raise prices artificially. Vs people preferring ev

 

[Hack]

You are so down on the S650 why are you in this forum? Your opinions in my opinion are just not based in reality. The S650 in my garage could not be a better, more reliable or more comfortable. New cars and technology just works well.

I'm here because I WANT a new Mustang.

I'm glad you like your new Mustang, but not many people are buying them anymore. I want Mustang to become a best seller that's hard to resist.

 

[Smoothwater]

Yep its bad on the Ford front. Bought a 24 monday GT Prem 10spd , Variable exhasut 3.55’s for $8k off msrp. Got the Ford 3.9% deal also. Been working a while to get a smoking deal and it finally happened.

 

[Ryunker]

intentional limit to the the production drilling and refinement of standard petrol. IE no offshore drilling, fracking or restrictions on where drilling can take place. Shutting down pipelines and other government related or corporate restrictions to raise prices artificially. Vs people preferring ev

EV's are very isolated to areas of the US, here again can't give them away. Limited range also just do not work or function across the nation. Where you are they might be, when I lived in northern Illinois there were many, but again good old ICE motors are mainstream in a large portion of the US. People are just not preferring or purchasing EV's.

 

[Joe_Stang]

In addition to inflation I’m going to argue that they have lost their way with the Mustang over the last 10 years …

The Mustang stock used to be a piece of crap …just look at the fox body … but it was cheap compared to other cars in the market …

you could buy this cheap crappy car with a solid drivetrain and spend years modifying it … brakes … suspension… exhaust … so on and so on

I still remember header shoot outs … muffler shoot outs… cylinder head shoot outs

now all I see are threads on gas mileage… screens … and panel gaps …

they made the car so good … they took all the fun out of modifying them … now it’s just do you want a whipple or not …

but in doing this they made the car more expensive and now it’s in the same price range of BMW but without BMW paint or interior quality… at least the drivetrain rocks

launch a cheap mustang… with a great drivetrain that responds well to modifications and bolt ons … and make modifying mustangs great again …

going to car shows is boring when all cars are the same sans whipple or no whipple … wheels and some carbon fiber bits …

Agreed, I remember when forums used to be a place for performance mod talk and who's going to do what next. Now it's mostly seeing who can come up with something to complain about next. Ford really did a disservice to this gen mustang not having quick aftermarket support follow along with it.

 

[JAM486HP]

Not really, electric stuff here has not sold, not even one.

ICE powered American Muscle has been in decline for some time, cars in general are becoming extinct. Consumers shifting to SUV/Crossovers and pickup trucks.

Love my ICE Mustang and personally felt $50K, for my loaded GT Premium, a bargain compared to any other vehicle in that price range.

 

[highvoltage]

Until interest rates come down all car sales will take a hit unless sub 40k I’d imagine

 

[kagemusha2662]

Agreed, I remember when forums used to be a place for performance mod talk and who's going to do what next. Now it's mostly seeing who can come up with something to complain about next. Ford really did a disservice to this gen mustang not having quick aftermarket support follow along with it.

This gen has been so boring as far as aftermarket goes, i'm looking at just doing new stuff to my old camaro that's been sitting around for a couple years since there's so much support and stuff to do there. With the right mods, could probably make it faster than any 7th gen mustang right now too.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Excellent points!

I suspect another factor is cars are just not as central (self image, lifestyle, hobby, etc) to recent American generations as they were/are to ours. Sadly.

I won't/haven't let ANY of my Grandkids drive any of my cars. I love 'em, but they are such automotive barbarians/trash!

Counterpoint, creating bonding moments with your grandkids over those cars. When you pass on, they'll cherish them more than any third party collector is likely to.

 

[MAT1955]

I think there is a lag in uncertainty. I was buoyed by Trump's speech and the assembly of a very fine Republican Team - (not meant as a political comment or side-taking) - and I predict there will soon be evidence of a very significant increase in spender optimism and actual increases in increased familial discretionary spending. I truly believe the USA is on the cusp of a true ecumenic revolution. Right now where I live 2024 vehicles of all model styles and car brands are sitting on dealers' lots with many starting to get heavily discounted. $7.000.00 off a Ford SUV near me. Last year at this time I got a 2024 Mustang GT Premium Convertible with the 401A package, the up-graded rim and wheel package, spare tire, B&0 12 speaker with trunk sub package and a Ford non-stackable $2,000.00 discount. They brought in some more 2024s a bit later in the year but they haven't sold so far. Same with My friend's GM Dealership, 2024 SUVs all over the lot. Friend owns a marina, boat sales have tanked too. Price of food and gas has people spooked. THIS WILL GET FIXED and we'll all be okay. Patience for the US economic plans to take affect (I say 6 months to 10 months) and they will result in a massive increase in prosperity. Mustangs are in the same slump of just about everything. The USA IS back. Hang on for a while, the good times ARE coming back .... patience, Mustang GTs aren't going away for a good while.

 

[Skye]

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/interactives/householdcredit/data/pdf/HHDC_2024Q4

The New York Fed generates a report once a quarter, focusing on household and consumer debt.

Of the entire report, see pages 11, 14, 15, 16, 18, 26, 29 and 30.

Along with reasons listed previously as to why the decrease in sales, this report highlights the American consumer is tapped out. Whatever ready savings which had been built up are exhausted. People are not buying homes. They're not buying vehicles. Further, there's a lot of economic uncertainty, giving consumers pause. Finally, one report out yesterday shows hiring has slowed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/05/adp-jobs-report-february-2025-.html

One report, one month, does not a trend make. But from my perspective, the American consumer is not in the mood, nor have the means, to purchase items involving large sums of money or financing.

Edit,

Inflation and price pressures abound. In the last 24-48 hours, we've had the EU committing to $800B in additional defense spending, China committing to $200B in economic stimulus and the beginning of several import and export tariffs, here and elsewhere.

Taken as a whole in the global economy, that might not seem like much, but there's a multiplier effect when economic spending (or lack there of) is involved. There will be less availability of some materials, labor, transportation and shipping. The overall bias is higher prices, less availability.

All that's on top of close to 20 items I'd already listed in a previous thread. It's difficult to see prices coming down in the near future. It's not the only factor affecting Mustang sales. But that, and that consumers are showing signs of vulnerability, doesn't lean towards and increase in purchases any time soon. Any vehicle type.

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