How do we save the mustang?

[Sharkman]

So you are effectively saying drop CANBUS!

I am saying that things like MyColor, multi-drive modes and other advanced features may not be necessary for a more economical car. I have a daughter about to turn 16 and get a drivers license. All the bells and whistles are not needed for a basic transportation car.

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[Gregs24]

I am saying that things like MyColor, multi-drive modes and other advanced features may not be necessary for a more economical car. I have a daughter about to turn 16 and get a drivers license. All the bells and whistles are not needed for a basic transportation car.

Which is not what the Mustang is for. She would never be able to insure it anyway.

Get her a Dacia if they sell them in the US, great value and basic cars based on old Renault platforms and engines etc.

 

[Sharkman]

Which is not what the Mustang is for. She would never be able to insure it anyway.

Get her a Dacia if they sell them in the US, great value and basic cars based on old Renault platforms and engines etc.

She has the 1995 T-Bird to learn on

 

[Mr Hyde]

I agree but A LOT of people will spit in the face of a v6TT and say MUH V8..

That’s my only point

The v8 is better na though disrespecting a tuned tt 6 or worked 4 pin is just foolish. I agree. In this day and age there is no reason for a slushy, slow boring car.

 

[Sharkman]

The v8 is better na though disrespecting a tuned tt 6 or worked 4 pin is just foolish. I agree. In this day and age there is no reason for a slushy, slow boring car.

Apparently, you have no experience with the 289 V8 engine. It is not slushy or slow.
I am not suggesting anything more than a vehicle without all the bells and whistles. A single mode operation, but still with reasonable horsepower. Not 480-500HP. WHere is all that HP used for folks going to the grocery store? Or to the movie theater? Or going to school?

How often do any of you put your car in track mode driving on the highway?
I, for one do not try to race, it would terminate my insurance to do so. Plus drag racing is boring as is oval racing.

Mine are always set in sport mode because I like that the tighter turning is more nimble on the roads around here where no one realizes that there are turn signals to use to change lanes. But these different modes are not needed in the "Beginner Car".

The vehicle can still have the 4 wheel disc brakes etc. Just remove about 40%- 50% of the software.

That should knock the prices down to have a starter Mustang that doesn't cost 60+ K$
And as that vehicle is more affordable for a first time buyer, if they desire the HP etc of the current models, they can upgrade like we all have. But they did have a starter Mustang that was still fun to drive.

My 66 convertible with the 289 is still a lot of fun to drive, and still has a lot of pep to it.
The same with the 73, the 1983 as well as my Bullitt and the Dark Horse.

The reason I have the last two is because of my previous life and the ability to escape/evade.

 

[9secondko]

Well that isn't actually correct is it!

What Happens to Dead Electric Car Batteries in 2025?

Try reading the complete article - yes 5% recycled at the moment, but most of the rest re-purposed or stored for future recycling. As was pointed out before there is an issue at the moment that EV battery recyclers are struggling to get enough in any one place to make the process economic. This will change in the future clearly.

EV battery recycling: As EV sales rise, recyclers are getting ready

So… you admit 5% is correct.
Good. An improvement from previous posts.

 

[9secondko]

In your small world.

V8 has never been that popular outside the US where size and fuel efficiency are far more important. V8 has literally no advantages over any other form of ICE engine.

Wow. I have groupies now, following me around. Cool.

thank you for sharing your … Interesting opinion.

my take is based on the fact that V8s produce the most power and are capable of providing enough torque and horsepower to more than adequately move any size vehicle with hustle.

lesser engines require forced induction to try to compete. In reality, the v8 has the forced induction option as well and far exceeds lesser options.

it’s all about volumetric efficiency. When less cylinders get larger, they are smacked with diminishing returns. Just like a v8 that is too small is kind of a waste. Go higher than 8 cylinders and your returns are diminished as well - in addition to the weight and complexity penalties.

but hey, enjoy your legacy tech RC car and 4 banger obsession. To each their own.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Apparently, you have no experience with the 289 V8 engine. It is not slushy or slow.
I am not suggesting anything more than a vehicle without all the bells and whistles. A single mode operation, but still with reasonable horsepower. Not 480-500HP. WHere is all that HP used for folks going to the grocery store? Or to the movie theater? Or going to school?

How often do any of you put your car in track mode driving on the highway?
I, for one do not try to race, it would terminate my insurance to do so. Plus drag racing is boring as is oval racing.

Mine are always set in sport mode because I like that the tighter turning is more nimble on the roads around here where no one realizes that there are turn signals to use to change lanes. But these different modes are not needed in the "Beginner Car".

The vehicle can still have the 4 wheel disc brakes etc. Just remove about 40%- 50% of the software.

That should knock the prices down to have a starter Mustang that doesn't cost 60+ K$
And as that vehicle is more affordable for a first time buyer, if they desire the HP etc of the current models, they can upgrade like we all have. But they did have a starter Mustang that was still fun to drive.

My 66 convertible with the 289 is still a lot of fun to drive, and still has a lot of pep to it.
The same with the 73, the 1983 as well as my Bullitt and the Dark Horse.

The reason I have the last two is because of my previous life and the ability to escape/evade.

And nowhere did i mention any specific engine i said NO CAR SHOULD BE SLUSHY OR SLOW in this day and age. There have been many through history. I never stated any car or type or year. Smaller engines will benefit from newer technology when applied appropriately. I agree that ford and most manufactures have gone nuts with adding crap that is not necessary and needlessly driving up the cost of the cars.

 

[DeluxeStang]

This isn't a mustang rendering, frankly, I have no idea what it's meant to be, but this would make for a gorgeous tiny affordable mustang coupe. It's still sleek, but the roofline is very slightly more upright, which would make it more practical in theory, plus it adds a bit of variety compared to the V8 mustangs fastback. Like this is really good looking.

 

[Gregs24]

So… you admit 5% is correct.
Good. An improvement from previous posts.

Yes but crucially that doesn't mean 95% are being dumped. very different to what you were suggesting.

See if you can improve?

 

[Gregs24]

Wow. I have groupies now, following me around. Cool.

thank you for sharing your … Interesting opinion.

my take is based on the fact that V8s produce the most power and are capable of providing enough torque and horsepower to more than adequately move any size vehicle with hustle.

lesser engines require forced induction to try to compete. In reality, the v8 has the forced induction option as well and far exceeds lesser options.

it’s all about volumetric efficiency. When less cylinders get larger, they are smacked with diminishing returns. Just like a v8 that is too small is kind of a waste. Go higher than 8 cylinders and your returns are diminished as well - in addition to the weight and complexity penalties.

but hey, enjoy your legacy tech RC car and 4 banger obsession. To each their own.

Simply not true. 8 cylinder engines have more frictional loss than smaller numbers of cylinders, they are larger and don't fit smaller cars (as said before) and they have poor fuel efficiency. You do understand that a small engine can have exactly the same size cylinder as a V8? You do realise that MOST smaller engines on the market already have SMALLER cylinders than the Coyote V8?

V8 engines DO NOT FIT in most cars globally - FACT

Car makers globally are dropping V8 engines, if they ever used them and going for smaller engines with forced induction. What is wrong with forced induction that virtually all car makers have used for decades (for obvious reasons!)

You are the only person it seems who wants to go the other way - who is right?

 

[Gregs24]

This isn't a mustang rendering, frankly, I have no idea what it's meant to be, but this would make for a gorgeous tiny affordable mustang coupe. It's still sleek, but the roofline is very slightly more upright, which would make it more practical in theory, plus it adds a bit of variety compared to the V8 mustangs fastback. Like this is really good looking.

Lancia badge on it.

 

[9secondko]

Yes but crucially that doesn't mean 95% are being dumped. very different to what you were suggesting.

See if you can improve?

No need to move the goalposts.

What I said was only 5% are being recycled. Thats the fact of the matter. That’s the point.

focus my guy. Focus.

 

[9secondko]

Simply not true. 8 cylinder engines have more frictional loss than smaller numbers of cylinders, they are larger and don't fit smaller cars (as said before) and they have poor fuel efficiency. You do understand that a small engine can have exactly the same size cylinder as a V8? You do realise that MOST smaller engines on the market already have SMALLER cylinders than the Coyote V8?

V8 engines DO NOT FIT in most cars globally - FACT

Car makers globally are dropping V8 engines, if they ever used them and going for smaller engines with forced induction. What is wrong with forced induction that virtually all car makers have used for decades (for obvious reasons!)

You are the only person it seems who wants to go the other way - who is right?

V8 engines make more power per than smaller number of cylinders at a given size one a certain displacement is reached. Covered this already.

you can look at frictional loss - duh. More cylinders/surface area. But then you bury your head in the sand and pretend to not notice that the fans far outweighs nominal friction loss.

good job. You’ve now proven (again) that you don’t care about mfacts, but rather continuing to bicker. Whether it’s this point, or your mental gymnastics to get away from the fact that only 5% of ev batteries get recycled, it’s a strange pattern.

 

[Gregs24]

No need to move the goalposts.

What I said was only 5% are being recycled. Thats the fact of the matter. That’s the point.

focus my guy. Focus.

Indeed, because the 95% are either being repurposed for domestic battery use or accumulated for future recycling when the numbers get big enough to make it viable. I would suggest that semantically being repurposed is a form of recycling but you would no doubt disagree!

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