Whipple Vs. Pro Charger Supercharger.

[robvas]

Someone said on a video it's a turbo with a belt drive. Looks like a turbo anywho.

It's really not. It's a supercharger. Just because it has an impeller and a volute doesn't make it a turbocharger. They don't behave the same way and there's an entire exhaust side that a turbocharger has than a centrifugal does not. The turbo also doesn't have the step-up drive a centrifugal does.

Calling it a belt driven turbo is misleading. It's a belt driven supercharger just like a Whipple or TVS. Just like nobody calls a turbocharger an exhaust driven supercharger. Heck, the first turbos were called "turbo superchargers"

"A centrifugal supercharger is a specialized type of supercharger that uses natural centrifugal energy to force additional oxygen into an engine. Increased airflow into the engine allows the engine to burn more fuel which results in increased engine power output.

At its most basic, a centrifugal supercharger is driven off the engine’s crankshaft and feeds compressed air into the engine. The centrifugal supercharger is generally attached to the front of the engine with a rigid bracket and driven via a belt-drive or gear-drive from the engine’s crankshaft."

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[Cucurú]

It's really not. It's a supercharger. Just because it has an impeller and a volute doesn't make it a turbocharger. They don't behave the same way and there's an entire exhaust side that a turbocharger has than a centrifugal does not.

Calling it a belt driven turbo is an oversimplification. It's a belt driven supercharger just like a Whipple or TVS.

"A centrifugal supercharger is a specialized type of supercharger that uses natural centrifugal energy to force additional oxygen into an engine. Increased airflow into the engine allows the engine to burn more fuel which results in increased engine power output.

At its most basic, a centrifugal supercharger is driven off the engine’s crankshaft and feeds compressed air into the engine. The centrifugal supercharger is generally attached to the front of the engine with a rigid bracket and driven via a belt-drive or gear-drive from the engine’s crankshaft."

It's only what some guy said on the video. Too much noise for me. I've yet to find a S650 with a Procharger with helical cut gears. The Whipple is very quiet, but major work to install.

 

[GhastlyTT]

I went with Whipple myself and the power more than makes up for the bit of added weight, but your rationale makes me laugh. 480HP alone isn't enough for defensive driving? I'm imagining you driving to the grocery store ducking and dodging 10 second street racers no offense meant

 

[Cucurú]

I went with Whipple myself and the power more than makes up for the bit of added weight, but your rationale makes me laugh. 480HP alone isn't enough for defensive driving? I'm imagining you driving to the grocery store ducking and dodging 10 second street racers no offense meant

Not only for Defensive driving. Pursuit and evasion. When things go bad I can rely on P229 or Bessy that's wedged between the console and passenger seat. I have a somewhat dangerous, but legal, profession. So this is why extra power is needed. Should've just gotten a Blackwing.

 

[Cucurú]

Looks like the Whipple is going to be the quietest. The Procharger HO is the easiest to install, but even with helical cut gears it still whines. I hate the whine. If it weren't an everyday driver I wouldn't worry about the whine. Plus it sounds like a throw out bearing going bad. So I guess it's al about the Whipple. Seems hard to beat the Whipple. Especially since it can be ordered in different colors, which will also match your cars paint.

 

[robvas]

The other annoying thing with an centrifugal is the open bypass at idle/cruise


Shhhhhhhhhhssssshhhhhhhhhhhshhhhhhhhh

 

[robvas]

LMR posted this today....decent review but they are comparing the Roush 2650 for the 2018-2023 cars which stinks, to the Vortech

 

[Cucurú]

The other annoying thing with an centrifugal is the open bypass at idle/cruise


Shhhhhhhhhhssssshhhhhhhhhhhshhhhhhhhh

Yep. You should see all the rants and raves about the Procharger on YouTube. Seems the younger generation likes not only crappy music, but crappy sounding cars. Thing sounds like a coffee can full of nuts and bolts strapped to a Harley back seats. Then the thing sounds like the shhhh of a maraca. It's like a beautiful woman with Turrets Syndrome. Now the problem is finding a tower brace for a non-PP GT with a Whipple. Gonna get the Whipple in Atlas Blue for daughters B-Day, which is a way off.

 

[schmeky7]

The helical cut gears on my Procharger are barely audible. If you run the muffler on the blow-off valve, there is no virtually no noise.

Procharger (or any centri) is simple, reliable, and lighter than a PD, and I have nothing against a PD blower.

My P1X starts pulling hard around 4,500 rpm and makes excellent power with the A10 at virtually any speed in my 2018 GT.

I would run a Procharger w/o hesitation on my 2024 if I decide to go boosted.

 

[Cucurú]

The helical cut gears on my Procharger are barely audible. If you run the muffler on the blow-off valve, there is no virtually no noise.

Procharger (or any centri) is simple, reliable, and lighter than a PD, and I have nothing against a PD blower.

My P1X starts pulling hard around 4,500 rpm and makes excellent power with the A10 at virtually any speed in my 2018 GT.

I would run a Procharger w/o hesitation on my 2024 if I decide to go boosted.

Helical is the way to go. The whine during idle would drive me nuts. At least the helical cut doesn't sound like loose nuts and bolts. But I see the price are about the same. Seen some Procharger units way cheaper. But not the entire kit .

 

[135Hoser]

If you're genuinely concerned about possible threats, Have you considered the alternate approach of: Not drawing as much attention as possible to yourself by driving pretty much anything *but* a mustang?

Also, no non-ford tuning exists as of writing for 7th gen mustangs. If you want more horsepower safely you *have* to get a Whipple.

 

[Cucurú]

If you're genuinely concerned about possible threats, Have you considered the alternate approach of: Not drawing as much attention as possible to yourself by driving pretty much anything *but* a mustang?

Also, no non-ford tuning exists as of writing for 7th gen mustangs. If you want more horsepower safely you *have* to get a Whipple.

It's funny. Not one person gets the hint of my profession here. Ever hear the term "50", pronounce 'Five Oh'? This is the reason I need so much power. 100 extra HP is really all I want. But a lower powered SC is not available. I could've found an S550 or S196, and did an SC on one and got the exact power I needed. About 550 HP. I also got an Ecoboost HPP 2024 for my wife. She didn't want a V8. Going to slap a mishimoto intercooler and some intake stuff for her. And later an upgraded turbo. The cars are not just for work, but for fun too. Might join, or start, a Mustang club.

 

[robvas]

Also, no non-ford tuning exists as of writing for 7th gen mustangs. If you want more horsepower safely you *have* to get a Whipple.

Roush and ProCharger also have tuning

 

[Cucurú]

Roush and ProCharger also have tuning

True. But Ford and Whipple are a winning combination. I like the compactness of the PC, but I hear it's not so great on the bottom end. Mustang are bottom end city driving cars which are hard to beat around town. I like the way Rough looks. But I favor the Whipple. It gets the power down where I need it in my car. Plus I hate the whine of a PC and Rough. Going to have to find articles on Whipple Vs ProCharger.

 

[Cucurú]

It's really not. It's a supercharger. Just because it has an impeller and a volute doesn't make it a turbocharger. They don't behave the same way and there's an entire exhaust side that a turbocharger has than a centrifugal does not. The turbo also doesn't have the step-up drive a centrifugal does.

Calling it a belt driven turbo is misleading. It's a belt driven supercharger just like a Whipple or TVS. Just like nobody calls a turbocharger an exhaust driven supercharger. Heck, the first turbos were called "turbo superchargers"

"A centrifugal supercharger is a specialized type of supercharger that uses natural centrifugal energy to force additional oxygen into an engine. Increased airflow into the engine allows the engine to burn more fuel which results in increased engine power output.

At its most basic, a centrifugal supercharger is driven off the engine’s crankshaft and feeds compressed air into the engine. The centrifugal supercharger is generally attached to the front of the engine with a rigid bracket and driven via a belt-drive or gear-drive from the engine’s crankshaft."

I'm looking up BOVs and the searches keep going to Ecoboost BOVs. I'd like to find one that is quiet. The ProCharger just might fit the bill since it allows driving the car more normal at low RPMs. Then comes on strong after 3K RPMs. Must be a way to mute the whine also. But the Whipple on mine is a monster.

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