Great News for V8s and ICE Vehicles in General

[Gregs24]

Best news in the planet since January 6th.

Oh dear

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[Gregs24]

Innovation. America will suffer in the long term. Lack of future technical dominance

This is already happening but fortunately some US companies plan beyond short term political flip flops.

 

[DeluxeStang]

This makes sense. The best approach is the blended approach Ford is taking. It's not a matter of "Everything needs to be an EV" or "EVs are terrible" the truth is more nuanced. ICE and hybrid applications are better for larger vehicles that do a lot of towing, and hauling, and for passion products like a V8 mustang and the bronco, or this new supercar coming in January.

Inversely, for customers who just want a reliable, effortless way to commute and go about their lives, these smaller, more affordable EVs make a lot of sense there. There's no passion to something like the engine for a Camry, or escape, it's just there because it has to be, and frankly, for people who want a really reliable vehicle, those sorts of engines just tend to be a liability over time, just look at how many Corolla/civic and escape engines are having issues, it's a lot. Contrary to popular belief, EVs and hybrids are actually quite reliable, infinity more reliable than a 1 liter turbocharged engine that's gonna be making 200 hp.

Giving those people a vehicle that's really reliable, quiet, spacious, refined, etc. That's giving them a better vehicle. A V8 mustang is more emotional and visceral than a EV full-sized coupe, as such, keep the V8 for the mustang. But something like an electric escape would be a better vehicle than the current ICE escape we currently have in terms of things like space, ownership costs, and overall user experience. It wouldn't be this buzzy, clattering shoebox anymore, but instead be a smooth, refined vehicle.

I look forward to a future where everything is good, and I can buy what I want. Having a V8 muscle car for the weekends and an EV commuter for the effortless weekly work commute is kinda the ideal imo.

 

[Gregs24]

With all due respect: if you have this opinion why are you driving a V8 instead of a Tesla?

Just remember the Mustang is more economical than trucks and SUV's

Remember also that change is not all or nothing overnight (unless you are Greta) but does involve change over time. I didn't replace all of my incandescent bulbs with LED's on one day, I changed them as the old ones failed.

 

[Gregs24]

This makes sense. The best approach is the blended approach Ford is taking. It's not a matter of "Everything needs to be an EV" or "EVs are terrible" the truth is more nuanced. ICE and hybrid applications are better for larger vehicles that do a lot of towing, and hauling, and for passion products like a V8 mustang and the bronco, or this new supercar coming in January.

Inversely, for customers who just want a reliable, effortless way to commute and go about their lives, these smaller, more affordable EVs make a lot of sense there. There's no passion to something like the engine for a Camry, or escape, it's just there because it has to be, and frankly, for people who want a really reliable vehicle, those sorts of engines just tend to be a liability over time, just look at how many Corolla/civic and escape engines are having issues, it's a lot. Contrary to popular belief, EVs and hybrids are actually quite reliable, infinity more reliable than a 1 liter turbocharged engine that's gonna be making 200 hp.

Giving those people a vehicle that's really reliable, quiet, spacious, refined, etc. That's giving them a better vehicle. A V8 mustang is more emotional and visceral than a EV full-sized coupe, as such, keep the V8 for the mustang. But something like an electric escape would be a better vehicle than the current ICE escape we currently have in terms of things like space, ownership costs, and overall user experience. It wouldn't be this buzzy, clattering shoebox anymore, but instead be a smooth, refined vehicle.

I look forward to a future where everything is good, and I can buy what I want. Having a V8 muscle car for the weekends and an EV commuter for the effortless weekly work commute is kinda the ideal imo.

Completely agree. We don't have to go back to a horse and cart or living in caves but we do have to innovate and change rather than just standing still and doing nothing. That does require some forcing either by incentives or legal changes. Nobody wants leaded fuel or DDT or CFC's and banning them was 100% correct.

 

[smurfslayer]

Wow, one study retracted. Some might say it's the only study on this subject. Nobody else is looking at these things. Everything brought up by the study must also be false.

The thing is, when you ( the general you, not you specifically ) "make stuff up" using your "credentials" - in this case as a scientist, that making stuff up makes you a liar.

Being a liar is like being a c*ck sucker and like John Gotti said: "once a c***sucker, always a c***sucker".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

the 'experts' are trying to destroy economies for solutions that are unproven.

A significant portion of numerous "hot button" social issues are fomented by China, playing on the gullibility of internet users in general. The 'experts' in various fields use data supplied by foreign and unfriendly agents provocateur as the basis for many a pre-formed conclusion - "global warming" was a fairly good, pre-internet example of this, as it was rebranded to "climate change". Remember, in the 70's, it was global cooling and a new ice age that was going to be TEOTWAWKI. Then, when that didn't pan out, we got global warming, which also was a tough sell, but, there was data behind it. Eventually, we got some movements and leaders to champion it; Al Gore, with his apocalyptic predictions of IMMINENT DOOM did the movement no favors. Then you have Greta and her extinction rebellion clowns. These people bought into the fringes of the climate change position and figuratively dove into the deep end.

2012 came and went. We're all still here. And the cartoonish "we're all going to die" hyperbole is really what exposed much of the 'climate change' movement' as analogous to a death cult. Because if we all don't do what these climate change movement people say, we are all going to die; their words, not mine. Unfortunately, the climate change movement is negatively affected by these really bad spokespeople, so it's near impossible to determine what the actual science is.

Gutfeld calls this debate and ones like it: "The prison of ONLY two ideas"; a world in which if you believe in climate change then you must necessarily have that belief mutually exclusive to all other discussion on the topic.

Two things can be true at once. Hell, even Jeremy Clarkson was right exactly one time - The Toyota prius has no redeeming qualities. But you can still think that the climate is changing and view anything the climate scientists say with an extreme assumption that everything they say is a lie until proven otherwise.

So there's climate change? There was before we were here, there will be after we're gone. Regardless of the USA's CAFE standards, or any amount of virtue signaling we engage in.

Yeah, it is great news for the Mustang. Bring back the big block V8's !!

 

[AZ_Ryan]

 

[Gregs24]

Windmills cause cancer!

It is amusing that some people berate windmills when they are actually wind turbines with nothing to mill at all.

Oh and windmills were a great invention anyway with some aspects invented in the US for pumping water.

 

[hoodscoops]

Exactly! I'm not disputing myself that the earth is warming, or even that humans have a (small) part of this. However, the 'experts' are trying to destroy economies for solutions that are unproven. It's all about reducing CO2 so the earth doesn't warm by 0.5 degrees Celsius or something.

In my humble opinion, we'll find a technical solution sooner than later to reduce CO2 if that's such a big concern. Meanwhile, it's okay to invest in clean energy and vehicles but let's not destroy our economy for this. It's crazy that blue states are against natural gas and nuclear energy - I'm fine with stopping with coal by the way - driving up energy costs for everyone. For... What?

Someone already brought up Europe, an excellent example of climate hysteria gone wrong.

Happy to hear what the Trump admin did yesterday. Now if Ford would make a hybrid V8 (like Porsche)... More power and more mpg.... I would be all-in!

In my humble opinion, ICE is a dying product. Just look at China. They stole our phone / chip and battery technology and used them to develop their vehicles. And next they will use them on their weapons of war.

Alot of our AI and EV technology were created by the west. Because America didn't see any profits in them, we never fully developed them. China in 2010 saw a need for AI to spy on their own people, and "invested" in these American tech companies. And now look at where they are.

 

[ValhallaNitePony]

The EPA's 2024 report on emissions and fuel economy is here if you really want to get into the data: https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPDF.cgi?Dockey=P101CUU6.pdf

The long and short of it is that the Big 3 here in the US are behind all the other major auto manufacturers in the world when it comes to both fuel economy and emissions numbers. Granted, absent is data on anything coming out of China and India, which are the world's worst polluters. But if we consider ourselves to be on the same level technologically as countries like Germany and Japan - who produce plenty of high performance internal combustion engine vehicles - we probably ought to be trying to do as well as they are.

 

[Gregs24]

The thing is, when you ( the general you, not you specifically ) "make stuff up" using your "credentials" - in this case as a scientist, that making stuff up makes you a liar.

Being a liar is like being a c*ck sucker and like John Gotti said: "once a c***sucker, always a c***sucker".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy




A significant portion of numerous "hot button" social issues are fomented by China, playing on the gullibility of internet users in general. The 'experts' in various fields use data supplied by foreign and unfriendly agents provocateur as the basis for many a pre-formed conclusion - "global warming" was a fairly good, pre-internet example of this, as it was rebranded to "climate change". Remember, in the 70's, it was global cooling and a new ice age that was going to be TEOTWAWKI. Then, when that didn't pan out, we got global warming, which also was a tough sell, but, there was data behind it. Eventually, we got some movements and leaders to champion it; Al Gore, with his apocalyptic predictions of IMMINENT DOOM did the movement no favors. Then you have Greta and her extinction rebellion clowns. These people bought into the fringes of the climate change position and figuratively dove into the deep end.

2012 came and went. We're all still here. And the cartoonish "we're all going to die" hyperbole is really what exposed much of the 'climate change' movement' as analogous to a death cult. Because if we all don't do what these climate change movement people say, we are all going to die; their words, not mine. Unfortunately, the climate change movement is negatively affected by these really bad spokespeople, so it's near impossible to determine what the actual science is.

Gutfeld calls this debate and ones like it: "The prison of ONLY two ideas"; a world in which if you believe in climate change then you must necessarily have that belief mutually exclusive to all other discussion on the topic.

Two things can be true at once. Hell, even Jeremy Clarkson was right exactly one time - The Toyota prius has no redeeming qualities. But you can still think that the climate is changing and view anything the climate scientists say with an extreme assumption that everything they say is a lie until proven otherwise.

So there's climate change? There was before we were here, there will be after we're gone. Regardless of the USA's CAFE standards, or any amount of virtue signaling we engage in.

Yeah, it is great news for the Mustang. Bring back the big block V8's !!

It really isn't difficult if you go top primary sources and ignore opinion pieces and extremists on both sides.

There is plenty of hard data / evidence for the rapid change in global temperatures way beyond anything in the previous hundreds of thousands of years that has happened in the last 50 or less. If you want to find this ignore opinion pieces, news items etc and go to scientific peer reviewed papers in proper journals by climatologists.

Changes can make a difference as is evidenced by the Ozone layer recovery

WMO Bulletin shows successful recovery of ozone layer, driven by science

 

[Upacurb]

I refuse to anything promoted by anyone that doesn't take action to reduce their own exposure

Ill believe climate change is real when the people preaching to us stop taking private jets and driving 6000 pound limousines that probably get 10 MPG

 

[Gregs24]

In my humble opinion, ICE is a dying product. Just look at China. They stole our phone / chip and battery technology and used them to develop their vehicles. And next they will use them on their weapons of war.

Alot of our AI and EV technology were created by the west. Because America didn't see any profits in them, we never fully developed them. China in 2010 saw a need for AI to spy on their own people, and "invested" in these American tech companies. And now look at where they are.

Sad, but I fear true.

 

[midtownz06]

Too bad everyone else will suffer in the long term as a result.

inb4 No PoLiTiCs

if you think this is bad you need your head examined.

if people want they can go buy whatever electric car for getting groceries or going to work but at least this way we might get better light duty trucks and v8’s for sports cars that aren’t loaded down with pointless gas mileage gimmicks. Look at Chevys DOD/AFM system and wiping out lifters.

 

[Gregs24]

I refuse to anything promoted by anyone that doesn't take action to reduce their own exposure

Ill believe climate change is real when the people preaching to us stop taking private jets and driving 6000 pound limousines that probably get 10 MPG

I will not listen to anybody 'preaching' at all - just go and find the real data.

Please name a climatologist that drives a 6000lb, 10mpg limo

The big problem is climatologists provide evidence and data but politicians make decisions based on votes and money not evidence

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