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I guess it comes down to better braking vs better cornering Gs. But 0.2 sec is so close the DH seems a bit disappointing.

Hold up. The 2021 Mach 1 Lightning Lap was manual right? And the DH was auto and only 0.2 sec faster?

The tremec alone is enough for most to upgrade to the DH. I haven't driven the latest MT-82 my last one was a 2015 version.

In an ideal world I would have all three. But I need a big pay raise for that

The no manual option is the only reason I haven't made a decision yet.

Not upset. You are welcome to voice your opinion. Simply saying that C8 is widely available and usually no ADM (unless Z06). DH is close in price already without even factoring in ADM. And yes I can by a 1LT Vette lol.

On Ford website: Darkhorse premium handling pack with no other options is 71k. A non optioned M4 is 75k C8 Z51 is 76k. Yes they absolutely are in the same price range. If you think this topic is pointless that's fine. But they all are within 6k in price. And before you say "DH base is blah...

Got 3 at that price at my local dealer lol

Anyone else cross shopping a DH with a C8 or M4? Or am I the only one thinking the DH is not a bargain performer at it's price point? 78k can get me into a 2024 C8 Z51. Unless you absolutely have to have a manual how are these other 2 not better options?

419 on STD deviation.....ouch. SAE is typically lower than standard and what most people use.

I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying that Mustang is also competing with M2 now. Darkhorse HP starts at around what the M2 Competition is and a fully optioned DH is in the price range of an M4.

Comparing to the M2 it might just be a better all around car than a S650 Mustang. How many people cross-shop a Dodge and a BMW?

Yes it did. This Mach 1 had the rear seat delete.

What makes you think the Mach 1 was modified? Because they added fog lamps and painted the stock rims red? If that car had any performance modifications I think the Throtle House guys would have said so. They are too professional not to.

"Modified" by having same tires? Lol. Since that was a 3 year old customers car were those Cup 2s even new? I'm sorry I just expect that a car costing close to 80k would obliterate the previous model.

My favorite part of the video was when they said if the 21 Mach 1 was on the Trofeos that they think it would have a faster lap than the DH.

I misunderstood what you were asking. Several places have removed the carbon traps but not the air filters. I would never run without an air filter. Removing the carbon traps alone gives around 2-3 hp. On the 22 and 23 it was more like 9-10.

Several places have done this. Check YouTube for results. The gains from removing the traps are mostly insignificant. Not like the 22 and 23 models

Ford used to recommend 5w20 on coyotes. Every gearhead on the planet knew 5w30 would be better. I've owned 5 Coyote engines and on the ones that had 5w20 I drained it out after purchase and put in 5w30. Never once have I had BBQ or typewriter tick. Have I been lucky? Maybe. But Ford now says...

I would assume they are using SAE correction but it doesn't say for certain. But that is definitely an auto so 428 is pretty good.