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again, attainable and amazing aren’t mutually exclusive. Look at the Fox mustang or the 1993 Camaro. Those weren’t crazy expensive unattainable cars. They were examples of punching way above their weight, offered unbelievable exotic performance for their day at Everyman prices. As I said...

Again, the point isn’t direct sales comparison since they are different markets. The mustang is as mass market as a pony car can be. The corvette is and always has been the niche true sports car. A lot of sacrifice for a lot of performance. The mustang is the liveable blend of convenience and...

More people buy 4 seats not only in price. You have teslas, etc that cost corvette money snd people buy them for convenience. You can fit more people if you have to or put some stuff in the back seat. Of course rice is a factor. That’s a universal rule. But so is useability and convenience. A 2...

incorrect. As it is, ford has put very little into the s650. It’s mostly carryover from the previous gen. And they’re still charging like it’s all new. Lol. and the vette hasn’t been aniche just on price. 2 seats is a hard sell. But it’s definitely worth the money for everyone in that market...

of course the economy is part of it as I’ve already posted. and sports/pony cars are not selling well in a market where an ev grocery getter can outperform the sports car. It’s a different world and the sports car needs to have a reason to exist. Carryover from yesteryear is not the answer and...

Now look who’s making stuff up. My point wasn’t for the mustang to be the corvette. It was to take a cue from it in terms of how hard that car tries to stand out and prove that it’s something special in the modern market moving forward. The mustang needs to do the same. Carrying forward a decade...

of course it’s the economy. Dollars are tight and people want as much value as they can get. The mustang just isn’t trying hard enough. We all know that it’s just a refreshed s550 to save money while they figure out the path for the next platform to go. But the end result is that the new mustang...

the dark horse doesn’t look better. It’s a polarizing look. Some really like it. Others really don’t. And the 500 hp is great. But the old 350 had 526. And the 500 had 760. Since you’re talking top tier models snd ignoring the more ubiquitous gt and ecoboost. and you’re reasoning why it’s great...

…and that’s why we never get anything better.

The mustang needs to be so much more than it is right now. Ford has gone to great lengths to develop other vehicles and market the heck out of them. With the mustang, they just coasted, gave the old platform a facelift and thought that be enough. So lazy. especially in this day and age, the...

Unfortunately the numbers should be way higher with a new gen. Unfortunately ford didn’t learn from the Camaros mistake of being much too similar to the prior generation. the performance from the s650 just isn’t any better than last gen either. It’s kind of a strange time.

Nothing crazy about it. Thought I explained it pretty well. And yet somehow nothing you said correlates to what I said at all. But hey, enjoy your dark horse. It’s all about what you place value on.

um… please tell me that’s not from the factory?

how about the voodoo for starters. The heart of the entire car. The effort that went into developing that big of a flat-plane crank v8 was major. It was a record at the time. compare that to the development that went into a Bullitt/mach 1/dh engine. Then there is the suspension, with...

while it’s true that Shelby is basically just branding at this point, what is also true is that Ford put way more effort into developing the Shelby cars since the gt350. the dark horse does benefit from some of the things learned during gt350 development (and applied to Mach 1), but not all of...

The numbers these cars are posting so simply is astounding. I don’t see how literally every mustang GT customer doesn’t do this. Supercar for everyday money.

The numbers these cars are posting so simply is astounding.

855 HP? Dang. Updates on availability with tune?

I believe we will have to see ford pivot at some point. But being a giant corporation, they’ll wait to save face and never admit to any mistake - but there will be a better, updated model named something else that sees the Mach e gradually disappear. the trouble with massive corp giants is that...

dang bro. You didn’t have to do him like that! Pulled out the history books and everything. Great post.