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  1. Any updates on whats changed with the Performance Pack for S650?

    The platform (D2C for S197, slightly reworked for S550 and S650) is more or less the same… However, Ford did some substantial improvements (IRS) and offered an entirely new driving experience with the S550. They did improve enough to call it a new Mustang although the engine was almost the same...
  2. Insurance cost on 2024 Mustang Dark Horse ?

    I'm German but here popular cars are much more expensive as they are more often involved in accidents... Also important: how many miles the insurance has to cover. On average my BMW 330d is more expensive than an average 911. However, my 330d has to be insured for 50000km a year. A 911 on...
  3. Base Interior Spied Up Close for the First Time.

    I think you're wrong on this one. Although I'm not a fan of the execution most buyers aren't car enthusiasts like everyone on this forum. Most just want a decent V8 Mustang. Who is even aware of the fact that the car could've been called a major refresh? Hardly anyone. It's a new Mustang with a...
  4. Base Interior Spied Up Close for the First Time.

    Maybe the two screen layout can be modified? A housing would be nice but I doubt that anything in that regards will be available and in a way it suits the interior... However, what about a better screen with much smaller bezel?! It would reduce the overall size and therefore maybe fit in much...
  5. Base Interior Spied Up Close for the First Time.

    I was aware of some of the stuff in the article but didn’t know Harman/Samsung owned so many brands. However, I’m not an expert in this segment but I always liked high quality audio. BMW’s H&K system is top notch for the price. Fords B&O in the Mustang is garbage. Mercedes Burmester is pretty...
  6. Base Interior Spied Up Close for the First Time.

    One reason might be that all manufacturers upped their game… The BMW H&K system is pretty damn good for ~$800. And the B&W systems and such in the luxury sedan segment are even better but they cost between $3000 and $6000. Risking the warranty and putting in extra work isn’t sophisticating for...
  7. Base Interior Spied Up Close for the First Time.

    I'm at a point where I can say that there are no better infotainment controls than BMW's iDrive controller. I don’t dig these vertical screens at all but I also don’t see many improvements in putting buttons around that thing… A fitting seating position is when your wrist is comfortably resting...
  8. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP šŸ’µ

    No but every price increase before that was... Gt350 had a more premium interior, a unique engine and some exterior changes. Mach 1 had almost the same price, no 5.2L flat-plane V8, some left over parts and the same lame interior... I like the Mach 1, I think it's a great car that is just...
  9. Still without front parking sensors/camera and HUD?

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/ford-delays-switch-to-android-automotive-until-2023/ I posted this last year but I'm confused now... S650 MY24 will have some form of Sync4 and they also made sure that everyone knows that stupid animations were created with the Unreal Engine... Woho...
  10. Dark Horse Convertible?

    The Bullitt had the Tremec as far as I know...
  11. Single exhaust tip standard on S650 GT

    They are real... just look at the different exhausts in the different pictures... apples and oranges… In this threat/picture the single exhaust is what you get without options... The EU Prototype (Dark Horse?!) has a PEMS system installed. With all the pictures thus far we can almost 100%...
  12. 2% under invoice on 2025 Ford Mustangs @ Granger Ford!

    'Love that lil thing!'... That would be in all seriousness the biggest car you could buy in Germany if it were available... It's most likely on pair with a GLS or an X7 in this picture and these cars are huge as fu.. Noone drives them here... Besides, the Rangers that are sold in Europe look...
  13. Will Dark Horse be an allocated package?

    It will be as limited as the Bullitt or the Mach 1... 'Limited until we decide not to built any other...'
  14. 7G S650 GT350 ?

    That's the point. The GT350 was way above the Mach 1, Bullitt or DH. Flatplane V8 with 5.2L is something special, Shelby name included. 5.0L with minor upgrades is not... The only thing special is the inflational price... GT350 for 65K is and was a steal. DH for 65K+ is not, nothing special...
  15. Is 486hp enough?? Let’s discuss

    100hp per Liter isn't anything special... Just look at AMGs four banger... 2 Liter 400+hp... However, it is somewhat special if we exclude turbo charged engines. At the end of the day it's pure marketing...
  16. Thoughts and Expecations on Mustang S650 - Technology and Performance

    Outlier is a better word. I'm not a native so sometimes I'm struggling to find a more suitable word ;) And I would love the S650 to do sub 4 seconds reliably. I just doubt we'll see these numbers. I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong if the numbers come in.
  17. Thoughts and Expecations on Mustang S650 - Technology and Performance

    'Marketed as...' the S550 was marketed with 460hp and on the dyno they do 410-420 on average (wheel, I don't know why anyone would measure anything else)... Being 'capable of sub 4 seconds' is also a very vague phrase... Marketing at is finest šŸ˜‰ The Tesla Plaid does sub 2 seconds*.... *in...
  18. Thoughts and Expecations on Mustang S650 - Technology and Performance

    Maybe but just do some research yourself... There aren't any reliable videos out there showing anything but >4 seconds... The S550 has what, 420hp (wheel)?! There is simply no physical way it can compete with an AWD 480hp+ car like the M3 and that one does <4 seconds. There are so many...
  19. Thoughts and Expecations on Mustang S650 - Technology and Performance

    Then keep looking :crazy: 2019 Ford Mustang Bullitt 0-60 mph 4.4 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Premium (Handling Pack) 0-60 mph 4.3 Those are the current numbers. Maybe someone somewhere in the world did get better numbers but on average 4.3 seconds is the time to beat. We'll not see anything...
  20. Thoughts and Expecations on Mustang S650 - Technology and Performance

    We do get sequential indicators but not the ones US cars will have... There was a video a couple of months ago that showed the sequential indicators on EU cars. The bottom part (bottom quarter maybe) will be sequential... It looks weird and I would replace them... Better than what we have today...





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