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Trans tuning, different intake and TB combinations, real e85 tunes....

Let's just hope they sell over 40,000 in 2025 At least in 2022, the last time there was the 'worst sales in history', Covid and the Challenger and Camaro were around and could shoulder some of the blame.

The bottom line is if sales stay at this level or go down like they are. The car will be gone.

Quite a few of those cars have positive growth, though And none of them sell in the volume that the Mustang was a few years ago It's not that they aren't selling more than others, they are just selling half of what they did just a few years ago Remember the Mustang is the only car being made...

Sorry the joke went right over your head

Is Mexico not North America? :clap:

These days gasoline is all E10 so the computer is actually going to target something like 14.1 And that goes along with timing so you rarely see that exact value (which isn't always targeted anyway). And the OEM is going to be doing things for power/fuel economy.

Why? Also what do you mean by 'almost always'? Cruise, idle, WOT, decel, all going to be different

Anyone do a dyno video with both tunes yet?

Same people will be the first to complain and wonder why when they stop production...

And still teetering on the lowest sales ever First place at the special olympics

They're down 10% from last year. And in 2021 and 2022 they weren't number one. Plus they quit making the Challenger and Camaro so it didn't even have any competition last year. Selling leftovers.

So has every useless post you've made since I disproved all coupes are not having sales problems

Can they get their warranty and quality issues to go along with it? They also weren't selling 130,000 M2's ten years ago. Thats the problem the Mustang has. I don't think they care that much as they sell a lot of others cars and the Mustang is the only car ford still sells.

I don't want the Mustang to go away. I have come to terms with it if it does. Ford needs to turn the shop around. There have been times where the Mustang was the best car to buy. It's turning into not one of those times again. But the level of denial with some people is just crazy.

New England Patriots finish 3-14, but they won the superbowl 7 years ago!

Funny way to say one is on the way up and one is dying. Anyway...According to the BMW Forums, 2022 M2 sales were: 11,753 total USA (approx) They're probably around 20,000 a year for the M2 in 2024. Now can we count the regular 2-series cars? We're counting the EcoBoost Mustangs so why not...

Haven't you ever watched Fast and the Furious?

At least they weren't record low sales for the entire time they have been producing the car, that's for sure. You know, like for the Mustang.

But M2 and M3 sales are up, not down like they are for the Mustang So for someone to say all 'coupe sales are hurting', isn't true.