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The Laptime Tie Is Broken — ZR1 vs GTD vs GT3 RS with Randy Pobst On Track

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Zr1 with Randy 1:34.94
Gt3 rs with randy 1:37.28
Randy is 68

Gt2 rs with Jaden Conwright (26 years old) 1:36.87

Not sure how much better a younger driver could have done
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This shows Nurburgring times don't meat diddly.

Also, rmemeber when everyone said Ford was going to go back and beat the ZR1 time?
I don't agree. The 'Ring is closer to a real road, because it is a real road, than any billiard table smooth track. A quick car on there is also a usefully quick car on the road.
 

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Zr1 with Randy 1:34.94
Gt3 rs with randy 1:37.28
Randy is 68

Gt2 rs with Jaden Conwright (26 years old) 1:36.87

Not sure how much better a younger driver could have done
Remember Stirling Moss in his 70's teaching Jeremy Clarkson a thing or two about car control?
Who would have thought you could make a car do whatever you wanted? 🙄
 

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I don't agree. The 'Ring is closer to a real road, because it is a real road, than any billiard table smooth track. A quick car on there is also a usefully quick car on the road.
Sure, but it’s not like you can realistically drive those cars on the street at more than 4/10ths longer than 2 seconds.
 

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I don't agree. The 'Ring is closer to a real road, because it is a real road, than any billiard table smooth track. A quick car on there is also a usefully quick car on the road.
The track in the video has been recently replaced but race tracks aren't as smooth as you might think

My point was even thought the ZR1 only beat the GTD by a few seconds (with a GM engineer as the driver), when you put it on the same track with the GTD with the same drivers, the GTD is losing by a bigger gap on 2-3 minute laps.
 


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The track in the video has been recently replaced but race tracks aren't as smooth as you might think

My point was even thought the ZR1 only beat the GTD by a few seconds (with a GM engineer as the driver), when you put it on the same track with the GTD with the same drivers, the GTD is losing by a bigger gap on 2-3 minute laps.
The tracks I've driven/ridden on down here, about 4 out of 7, are much smoother than our roads with a lot more grip. But I accept some tracks may not be that great.
What I'm getting at is, if the ZR1 can put all that power down it has the advantage, but when it can't due to bumps and ripples like a real road, it is only marginally faster than the Ford.
I still think 5 laps from a standing start would have been fairer.
 

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Sure, but it’s not like you can realistically drive those cars on the street at more than 4/10ths longer than 2 seconds.
It depends on the road I guess. Ours are full of Revenue men, so the risk is high. But you could top them out in Germany or Northern Australia. The Isle of Man circuit is also a legal road without a speed limit, so you could push there, carefully.
 

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It depends on the road I guess. Ours are full of Revenue men, so the risk is high. But you could top them out in Germany or Northern Australia. The Isle of Man circuit is also a legal road without a speed limit, so you could push there, carefully.
I was thinking more in terms of pushing through corners like you would on a track.
 

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My car is 1/20th the cost of those cars...fun to see them run, stupid to argue about it
 

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GM really did create a legend with the C8 ZR1. The best part…all in-house and all American. And that’s why they proudly displayed the USA flag decals on the ZR1s.

Meanwhile, Ford outsourced the GTD project to the Canadian Multimatic. And Ford dares to charge almost double the price for inferior performance. Embarrassing.
 

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I was thinking more in terms of pushing through corners like you would on a track.
Yep, I'm into lateral G more than longitudinal, but you have to pick the time and place.
Blind bends are neither, but if you can see 3 or 4 corners ahead it's game on.
 

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Why are these cars being driven by a 65-70 yo man?
tell us you don't know much about racing or high end cars and those that can get the most out of them without saying it. Pobst has been the one that all the magazines and manufacturers use to find the limit of their high performance cars for many years. You would probablyl sh*t yourself if you rode around that track with him in one of those cars.
Google him,
 

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tell us you don't know much about racing or high end cars and those that can get the most out of them without saying it. Pobst has been the one that all the magazines and manufacturers use to find the limit of their high performance cars for many years. You would probablyl sh*t yourself if you rode around that track with him in one of those cars.
Google him,
I know who he is. I’m saying a younger leading edge currently active racer would’ve been faster most likely. Probst is on the far side of the hill, unfortunately.
 

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I know who he is. I’m saying a younger leading edge currently active racer would’ve been faster most likely. Probst is on the far side of the hill, unfortunately.
Wouldn't he be slower somewhat equally on all of the cars, assuming your theory is true?

Also, if being 68 makes him slower, it is probably by fractions of a second. I mean, if you review his Wikipedia entry, he is still winning or placing things he enters, including as recently as 2021 and 2023.
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