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[DarkMatterGrey]

Bought 4 big ones and 4 little ones. About cleaned them out. Apparently there’s no limit.

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[RLE55]

Maybe needed once one gets 30K-60K miles on the engine, or if one does a lot of track racing. Good quality gas, i.e. Tier One, will help keep engines at peak performance.

 

[Skye]

Older cars with carbureted systems, Techron can work quite well. At idle, we used to pour one bottle down the intake, the engine just about to stall. The bottle empty, we'd turn the engine off and let it sit for an hour, the idea being the concentration would help clean up the intake system. We'd then pour one additional bottle in the tank and encourage the owner to take a long drive at highway speeds.

For newer engines with both direct and port injection, I would not expect to see a dramatic change in performance or fuel economy. A well-known Top Tier fuel used consistently with the occasional highway drive should provide the same cleaning effects.

If I had a vehicle which had been using a low-detergent fuel, or one recently purchased with an unknown care history, with product directions as a reference, I'd use a bottle or two, yes.

Edit,

Related to this topic is the use of oil catch cans. Coupled with a Top Tier fuel, they will reduce the potential for intake and chamber deposits further still.

Using 10,000 mi / 16000 km as an annual duty cycle, I'm capturing 1/2 cup, or 100 ml each year; oil that would have been coating the intake runners, valves and making its way into the combustion chamber.

 

[Stanzi]

Bought 4 big ones and 4 little ones. About cleaned them out. Apparently there’s no limit.

Wouldn’t it be cheaper and easier to run an E30 blend tank every 6 months or so?

E85 is incredible at cleaning fuel systems…

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

Wouldn’t it be cheaper and easier to run an E30 blend tank every 6 months or so?

E85 is incredible at cleaning fuel systems…

I wish I could run E30. Most of Arizona is stuck with CAN (Calif, Nevada, Nevada) gas. There’s a station near me with Ethanol Flex Fuel (51-83 E), so it must be tested every time. The only other available options are 87, 89, and 91. There’s a few stations around that sell Sunoco 100 so I hand blend it up to 93+ (3.5 gal 100 to 12.5 gal 91). I don’t believe 100 is considered top tier, so adding in some more PEA every once in a while should help. Can’t hurt at least.

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

Maybe needed once one gets 30K-60K miles on the engine, or if one does a lot of track racing. Good quality gas, i.e. Tier One, will help keep engines a peak performance.

So if Top Tier is good enough, you going to not use Top Tier Plus when it rolls out?

 

[Stanzi]

I wish I could run E30. Most of Arizona is stuck with CAN (Calif, Nevada, Nevada) gas. There’s a station near me with Ethanol Flex Fuel (51-83 E), so it must be tested every time. The only other available options are 87, 89, and 91. There’s a few stations around that sell Sunoco 100 so I hand blend it up to 93+ (3.5 gal 100 to 12.5 gal 91). I don’t believe 100 is considered top tier, so adding in some more PEA every once in a while should help. Can’t hurt at least.

Yeah - I tuned my last car (WRX tR) for E85 - but I live 60 miles from the nearest E85 station... I'm far far north Dallas almost in Oklahoma - so I won't bother tuning for E85 this time. I wouldn't make it home and back to the gas station in time to fill it up... so I feel your pain...

However, at least I will be able to drive to a few decent E85 stations in north Dallas every quarter or so to put an E30 blend in. Can't wait for my first time to see how it runs vs the 93 I usually run.

I would be incredibly sad if I lived somewhere they only had 91 :-(

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

Yeah - I tuned my last car (WRX tR) for E85 - but I live 60 miles from the nearest E85 station... I'm far far north Dallas almost in Oklahoma - so I won't bother tuning for E85 this time. I wouldn't make it home and back to the gas station in time to fill it up... so I feel your pain...

However, at least I will be able to drive to a few decent E85 stations in north Dallas every quarter or so to put an E30 blend in. Can't wait for my first time to see how it runs vs the 93 I usually run.

I would be incredibly sad if I lived somewhere they only had 91 :-(

You sure it’s E85? Some stations make it look like E85 when it’s actually E51 to E83.

It does suck that the highest readily available is 91, but I’m so thankful 100 at the pump for $10.00 a gal is right down the street.

 

[Stanzi]

You sure it’s E85? Some stations make it look like E85 when it’s actually E51 to E83.

It does suck that the highest readily available is 91, but I’m so thankful 100 at the pump for $10.00 a gal is right down the street.

No in our local car groups we know what it is because we test the stations regularly …. I think I was E79-81 on the tests so we use the calculator for E30 accordingly. Mix with 93

The 24+ Subi WRX platform will make 100-120 WHP on just E85 and an intake. It’s a legend in our area so everyone knows / reports what stations have specific tested E content.

 

[robvas]

What's faster with boltons and e85? 2024 Eco or scooby??

 

[Stanzi]

Honestly I don’t know. Mine was pretty quick… here’s a dyno sheet… Just E30 tune and an intake made 352 WHP and 362 WTQ - 12’s in the 1/4 mile for under $1k. Over 100 wheel HP more … insane

my issue was no matter what I did to it - it just wasn’t a nice V8 and I could never get past that. Something about driving something that sounded like an angry lawnmower I just couldn’t get into. Even with AWD, my GT w/ Performance Pack handles much better. Clearly not in rain / snow but I don’t see that in Texas as a weekend car. Even if my 5.0 was slower- the sound and the feel is just what I love more.

 

[RLE55]

So if Top Tier is good enough, you going to not use Top Tier Plus when it rolls out?

Since TT+ is being directed at GDI engines and TT is primarily directed at PFI......yea, if my TT gas stations get upgraded to TT+, I'll use it.

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

Older cars with carbureted systems, Techron can work quite well. At idle, we used to pour one bottle down the intake, the engine just about to stall. The bottle empty, we'd turn the engine off and let it sit for an hour, the idea being the concentration would help clean up the intake system. We'd then pour one additional bottle in the tank and encourage the owner to take a long drive at highway speeds.

For newer engines with both direct and port injection, I would not expect to see a dramatic change in performance or fuel economy. A well-known Top Tier fuel used consistently with the occasional highway drive should provide the same cleaning effects.

If I had a vehicle which had been using a low-detergent fuel, or one recently purchased with an unknown care history, with product directions as a reference, I'd use a bottle or two, yes.

Edit,

Related to this topic is the use of oil catch cans. Coupled with a Top Tier fuel, they will reduce the potential for intake and chamber deposits further still.

Using 10,000 mi / 16000 km as an annual duty cycle, I'm capturing 1/2 cup, or 100 ml each year; oil that would have been coating the intake runners, valves and making its way into the combustion chamber.

Where I live it’s hard to get consistent ethanol (we’re a flex fuel not an E85 state) and the highest octane gas is 91.

Therefore, I run a mix of 91 top tier and 100, which I am assuming isn’t top tier, in the Mustang. So the detergents are diluted in my s650. I also have older Jeep (2008) and a couple Harley’s (2003 carbureted and 2020 fuel injected). Therefore I like to buy and use Techron.

I also run catch can for the reasons you listed as well as octane preservation in the s650. Gets above 115 degrees ambient air temp in the summer.

To each our own.

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