Is tuning a stock car on 93 worth it?

[smurfslayer]

It’s #.5 priority - higher than priority 1 to HPT to get the remaining OS strategy’s defined and rolled out. It’s coming very soon. They are working on this basically 24/7 at this point.

Even 24/7 machinery isn’t. There has to be downtime for maintenance.

Something that 99% of you thought was never going to happen. And you were pissed about it before too.

THAT’S a fair point.

Things happen, you react and hopefully address the issues that came up with the first try.

Glad they got you sorted out. I got condescending responses when they bothered to respond in roughly 3 days I've gotten 3 emails and all 3 were today. Emails that weren't default system generated that is. One told me to go use the first ticket that their software created when trying to upload the required information for the 3rd time. The second was to tell me to basically eff off and not use the latest ticket that got created by their software. i accidentally replied to it when trying to figure out wtf is going on. The third was here go try now , and guess what didn't effing work as i expected. I understand issues and working it out and being new its an entirely different thing to pay to beta test. this is all stuff that should have been done before release. They need to concentrate on getting one done before moving on to the next. Too many irons in the fire to be effective and work quickly and with focus.

I don’t really think it’s fair to call this a pay to play customer beta test. Like @ZXMustang has said, they didn’t account for some vehicle revisions that occurred and they’ve had to go back and try to fix that while not breaking anything else. It’s not like Ford is providing guidance here. Not to excuse attitude or rudeness, but it will get sorted out.

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[Mr Hyde]

Even 24/7 machinery isn’t. There has to be downtime for maintenance.


THAT’S a fair point.

Things happen, you react and hopefully address the issues that came up with the first try.



I don’t really think it’s fair to call this a pay to play customer beta test. Like @ZXMustang has said, they didn’t account for some vehicle revisions that occurred and they’ve had to go back and try to fix that while not breaking anything else. It’s not like Ford is providing guidance here. Not to excuse attitude or rudeness, but it will get sorted out.

wasn't being rude. Was stating my point of view and my experience so far. As for machinery there's something called redundant systems. One is down for maintenance the other is operational. As for tuning it would eventually get cracked or someone would find away around fords stupid choice. I said it was paying to beta test their lack of foresight and ability to test and roll out a product. so far no progress on my revision as in nada nothing same old song and dance. Unable to initiate read task on rtd4.

 

[smurfslayer]

I meant the rude comment about your interaction with HP not that you were being rude.
Apologies if I was not clear on that

 

[sloww5ohh]

I installed the Soler performance unit last friday. Amazing..... control everything through the APP super easy.

If your STOCK 91/93 honestly try this, i highly recommend. Im not even interested in tuning at this time lol.
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What did you install? The throttle controller with a throttle body?

 

[sloww5ohh]

Love mine.

I had a pedal commander on my s550 and it was ok, is soler performance better?

 

[sloww5ohh]

The reality is if you run only 93 but you are a manual car, then not much to gain. Its the auto cars that really feel the difference. The tq management reduced or eliminated in some scenarios, the shift points raised to 7500-7800. Pair that with our VCT settings that have been hand crafted and AI modeled, our tunes make power to 7600 consistenly. And quite a bit more tq at 5k than others. I've seen a few dyno graphs and you can see who understands VCT and who doesnt...

But smoothing out the trans part throttle shiftings, raising shift pressures, tq converter slip and lock changes, throttle pedal refinements and the list goes on and on. Dont forget ghost cam. Everyone loves the ghost gam. Here's my car on my tune with completely stock exhaust ghost cam. This took probably 40 hours of R&D to get right/cat safe. It sounds 10x better with a real exhaust. The value is there. Moreso for auto guys on E85. Manual guys too on E85.

I wonder if raising rpm on the manual will also make more power… ?

 

[ZXMustang]

I wonder if raising rpm on the manual will also make more power… ?

Not likely past 7500. I have the VCT dialed in for maximum VE and no reversion at high RPM, and with the stock cams you are just limited. I did everything I could to get it to carry past that and it just wouldnt. That was with stock exhaust.

With headers and no cats, I have a new VCT revision I have been testing with a few folks to see if we can take advantage of the extra scavenging headers offer to see if we can push the peak power out a few hundred RPM. Still in testing. But that usually sacrifices mid range tq, of which we have DIALED. Im seeing stock tuned E85 cars making 380rwtq tuned and mine made 405 to the tire at 49xx RPM. Thats stone stock on E85.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Not likely past 7500. I have the VCT dialed in for maximum VE and no reversion at high RPM, and with the stock cams you are just limited. I did everything I could to get it to carry past that and it just wouldnt. That was with stock exhaust.

With headers and no cats, I have a new VCT revision I have been testing with a few folks to see if we can take advantage of the extra scavenging headers offer to see if we can push the peak power out a few hundred RPM. Still in testing. But that usually sacrifices mid range tq, of which we have DIALED. Im seeing stock tuned E85 cars making 380rwtq tuned and mine made 405 to the tire at 49xx RPM. Thats stone stock on E85.

I have asked that question a few times, why is everybody wanting the redline to be at 8000 and all of these YouTube videos of 8000 rpm shifts? Is there more horsepower? Does it make the car accelerate faster? If the car does not accelerate faster, you are simply putting a lot more stress on the reciprocating parts and valve train for no gain. I understand putting stress on the engine for more power (there are very high horsepower forced induction Coyotes with stock bottom ends running around), but not just to say, oh, listen to how fast it is turning. Indeed, it might even slow the car down.

 

[ZXMustang]

I have asked that question a few times, why is everybody wanting the redline to be at 8000 and all of these YouTube videos of 8000 rpm shifts? Is there more horsepower? Does it make the car accelerate faster? If the car does not accelerate faster, you are simply putting a lot more stress on the reciprocating parts and valve train for no gain. I understand putting stress on the engine for more power (there are very high horsepower forced induction Coyotes with stock bottom ends running around), but not just to say, oh, listen to how fast it is turning. Indeed, it might even slow the car down.

yeah power doesn’t carrry that far on these. I had mine at 7800. Lowered to 7600 for a tad over rev to help drop me back in the peak power RPM. It’s faster that way. Only reason to let it run out that high would be to push gearing so you don’t have an extra shift before the end of the quarter mile or something.

 

[Mr Hyde]

I meant the rude comment about your interaction with HP not that you were being rude.
Apologies if I was not clear on that

No worries misread that part. Been a long 3+ days of attempting to sort it out. Sent another file hopefully they can get it sorted.

 

[Mr Hyde]

@Mr Hyde HP Tuners fixed my other guy that was in the same spot as you today. You might want to try again or reach out to them. My other guy is flashing now and about to drive off into the sunset.

Sent another file to see if they can sort out my mutant pony haven't heard anything back yet. Which ill have that one oddball 3 out there only revision that is just untunable lol would be just my luck.

 

[MustangMitch69]

That steeda vid they just posted should frame it all up…

Ported heads, ported intake, longtube headers, steeda CAI on full E85 …. Gained 25/20ish over stock tune.

YMMV as they say.

That seems like a lot of hassle and $ for just +20-25hp, a 4% gain over stock.

 

[MustangMitch69]

The first two weeks probably isn't the time to be buying a tune/tuner if you're expecting perfection

Right, I'm waiting for Ford performance to put one out. When/if they do, like they have in the past, they'll hopefully be willing to let the customer maintain factory warranty. Will it be the most aggressive tune possible? No. But it also won't make your motor blow up.

 

[MustangMitch69]

https://www.solerengineering.com/ford-motor/se0622-tc

Does this help shorten the time it takes between hitting the gas and getting acceleration? That lag is killing me.

 

[Dave2013M3]

I wonder if raising rpm on the manual will also make more power… ?

This would be good with a set of gears. If I had an MT82D4 with 4.09 gears and an extra 250rpm that would be a match made in heaven.

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