Ceramic coating VS teflon based coating

[GrabThatBlue]

today's paints are better than they used to be in some regards.

That said, Ford, still hasn't figured out how to paint a car without excessive orange peel. My company showed them how to eliminate this problem in the 1990's but, no, they haven't learned yet, or don't want to. I guess I'll just wax over the orange peel.

I guess the "today's paint" you refer to is for other cars since you said Ford still has orange peel for decades now.

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[Frogdog1]

I guess the "today's paint" you refer to is for other cars since you said Ford still has orange peel for decades now.

No, I said "today's paints are better than they used to be". Orange peel applies to the application of paint.

 

[DFB5.0]

It saves me a lot of angst and money by just using a very good car wax now and then. Race Red responds quite well to it and today's paints are better than they used to be in some regards.

This is Race Red with Collinite 845 wax, which has been on the market for decades, even modern waxes struggle to match it. No editing in those photos either.

That said, Ford, still hasn't figured out how to paint a car without excessive orange peel. My company showed them how to eliminate this problem in the 1990's but, no, they haven't learned yet, or don't want to. I guess I'll just wax over the orange peel.

No, that doesn't answer the OP's question but there are always other options. New detailing farkles are always expensive, sometimes with questionable benefits, i.e. doesn't last the life of the car for the money spent.

A very experienced and well-respected detailer once described why car companies still make cars with orange peel despite the technology existing to virtually eliminate it. A perfectly flat painted surface will highlight any slight imperfection, be that from the factory or from usage on the road. This is due to the how the light is reflected from the surface. Keeping a car 100% scratch and swirl free is virtually impossible, even with correct and diligent care. So, the concept of having a certain degree of orange peel is that it helps disguise mild imperfections such as swirls, dust nibs or panel alignment.

That's not to say car companies deliberately inflict orange peel, rather its a byproduct of mass production that has a small side benefit. And its not just Ford, the detailer who explained this concept was actually using a brand new Porche 911 GT3 RS as the subject matter.

 

[RLE55]

That's not to say car companies deliberately inflict orange peel, rather its a byproduct of mass production that has a small side benefit. And its not just Ford, the detailer who explained this concept was actually using a brand new Porche 911 GT3 RS as the subject matter.

I assume the only auto maker that can come close to paint perfection is Rolls Royce and Bentley?

 

[Frogdog1]

This is Race Red with Collinite 845 wax, which has been on the market for decades, even modern waxes struggle to match it. No editing in those photos either.

A very experienced and well-respected detailer once described why car companies still make cars with orange peel despite the technology existing to virtually eliminate it. A perfectly flat painted surface will highlight any slight imperfection, be that from the factory or from usage on the road. This is due to the how the light is reflected from the surface. Keeping a car 100% scratch and swirl free is virtually impossible, even with correct and diligent care. So, the concept of having a certain degree of orange peel is that it helps disguise mild imperfections such as swirls, dust nibs or panel alignment.

That's not to say car companies deliberately inflict orange peel, rather its a byproduct of mass production that has a small side benefit. And its not just Ford, the detailer who explained this concept was actually using a brand new Porche 911 GT3 RS as the subject matter.

After having dealt with Ford for 10 years with painting being a large part of it, orange peel is the result of improper painting procedures.....period. It has nothing to do with mass production.

Proper painting procedures are just as easy to maintain as improper painting procedures. That is one of the basis(s) for producing quality products. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to proper paint procedures which most manufacturer's struggle with. Painting is a very difficult process without DOCUMENTED processes that are adhered to. Ford doesn't do this and they put the proof in the pudding with every Mustang produced.

I've had, and have other brands that have no orange peel whatsoever. Examples: the Honda Civic sitting right next to the s650 in my garage right now, a BMW M Roadster, and of all things, a Corvette Z06 which had one of the best paint jobs I've ever owned. The rest of the car was a POS except for the engine.

Orange peel is universally viewed as improper paint application and is unacceptable to people with painting knowledge. That said, my race red GT looks good after a proper wash job and, soon to be, proper wax job......with orange peel under it.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I have a good friend who is a long time professional detailer. He's tought me a ton about ceramic coating, paint finishes, color correction, and maintenance. I've had 3 cars done with P&S Lengend 5-year ceramic now, and I can't advocate for ceramic enough. Especially in a Sunny and dusty climate like Arizona. Once properly applied to a paint corrected finish, it provides a sacrificial layer that protects the finish, makes cleaning a breeze, and keeps the car looking like it was just polished for years. With the correct toppers and limited uv exposure it will stay looking great for years

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Some good reading about different coatings -

https://detailingshed.com.au/blogs/articles/wax-sealants-ceramic-coatings-differences

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