OEM v.s. OEE windshield?

[smurfslayer]

In the land where we drive on the proper side of the road, it’s not as clear cut. Some glass replacement businesses don’t recalibrate after the glass is replaced. They told me ‘you can have the dealer recalibrate if it’s needed. 90% of them don’t need it.’ IDK about that, but I didn’t have any wonky behavior from my truck when the glass got replaced and they didn’t recalibrate the LKAS but ... I did get OEM glass

The bigger businesses do recalibrate; Safelite were the knuckleheads who were trying to make me wait overnight - I also have to hand hold them to ensure they have the correct glass, the Raptor is super duty sized, and doesn’t take the peasant F150 windshield. I’ve gotten all the way to their shop (in another state) after having them check multiple times, only for them to admit they don’t have it when I show up.

The mom & pop glass shop that didn’t recalibrate LKAS only had to be told once what windshield was needed, they came to me and it was done in a couple hours + another 20 minutes to locate the washer reservoir tube they left off. he did offer to come back, but I just dug it out and fixed it.

I mean, has anyone ever had a non-oem windshield where LKAS wouldn’t recalibrate? it _could_ happen but pretty unlikely. But dealers can be lazy, and I can see a scenario where a tech says ‘can’t recalibrate, need new windshield’. Never underestimate the human capacity to underwhelm.

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[steveo1960]

When I got my windshield replaced (OEM) the glass place calibrated it and gave me a printout showing all was well. I also had to sign a form stating I was given the above. First time for me, but first time with a computer on wheels

 

[LouG]

Ford is only testing / validating with their supplier’s glass, the same way they configure the engine tune, etc.. So, if you had a busted windshield and came into a stealership with an aftermarket windshield and your affected systems were not working, you may well end up having to buy another windshield and pay for the calibration if they can’t get it working.

Sure, it’s a windshield, not a computer chip, but defects happen, OEM and aftermarket. I’d love to have a more chip resistant, crack resistant option. On my ’17 Rap, all of the electronics related to the windshield are able to be configured on/off, but the later model vehicles make this more of a challenge.

Exactly. We've had a case here where a screen was replaced with an aftermarket screen, the screen people couldn't calibrate the sensors, the dealer didn't want to know as it wasn't OEM, and the owner is caught between them.
I'll try and avoid that BS.

 

[Neggytive]

"it does not need to be recalibrated, it will work fine"

Sure that sounds good, until the system does not work as designed and someone gets hurt, then Fred's Glass Shop that has no assets walks away from the lawsuit with a judgement that can never be collected.

The alignment shop with a 30 year old machine and no bi-directional scan tool doesn't think the center steer needs re-calibration either, and after an accident when the lawyers start digging into the history of the car and find that gem, the only people who pay the price are the ones that were injured by a shops laziness, incompetence, or malfeasance.

Those of you that work on cars, be it on the mechanical side or body side see the poor quality of aftermarket and rebuilt parts.

It is getting to the point that outside of tires, I am using OEM only replacement parts from my local dealer

There are too many counterfeit parts on EBAY and Amazon in OEM packaging to risk getting parts online.

And don't get me going on modules that fail (fuel pump modules/drivers) that require dealer/OEM software to install.

And that brings us back to where is the aftermarket tuning for the 7G

From what I am reading a lot of the reason for no tuning is the way all the modules are interlinked with security features and Ford is not letting anyone overwrite their software. Changing the code invalidates the security features for handshakes and the modules will n o longer talk to each other.

 

[Gregs24]

"it does not need to be recalibrated, it will work fine"

Sure that sounds good, until the system does not work as designed and someone gets hurt, then Fred's Glass Shop that has no assets walks away from the lawsuit with a judgement that can never be collected.

The alignment shop with a 30 year old machine and no bi-directional scan tool doesn't think the center steer needs re-calibration either, and after an accident when the lawyers start digging into the history of the car and find that gem, the only people who pay the price are the ones that were injured by a shops laziness, incompetence, or malfeasance.

Those of you that work on cars, be it on the mechanical side or body side see the poor quality of aftermarket and rebuilt parts.

It is getting to the point that outside of tires, I am using OEM only replacement parts from my local dealer

There are too many counterfeit parts on EBAY and Amazon in OEM packaging to risk getting parts online.

And don't get me going on modules that fail (fuel pump modules/drivers) that require dealer/OEM software to install.

And that brings us back to where is the aftermarket tuning for the 7G

From what I am reading a lot of the reason for no tuning is the way all the modules are interlinked with security features and Ford is not letting anyone overwrite their software. Changing the code invalidates the security features for handshakes and the modules will n o longer talk to each other.

You do know Ford doesn't make glass?

The ADAS calibration is usually done on the road and certainly in the UK all glass fitting companies know how to do this.

 

[Gregs24]

Exactly. We've had a case here where a screen was replaced with an aftermarket screen, the screen people couldn't calibrate the sensors, the dealer didn't want to know as it wasn't OEM, and the owner is caught between them.
I'll try and avoid that BS.

The only reason the dealer didn't want to to know is because they were not getting paid I suspect.

If it worked before and not after the screen was replaced the responsibility is with the screen fitter. The dealer may need to be involved under the instruction of the fitting company and at their expense

 

[LouG]

The only reason the dealer didn't want to to know is because they were not getting paid I suspect.

If it worked before and not after the screen was replaced the responsibility is with the screen fitter. The dealer may need to be involved under the instruction of the fitting company and at their expense

Yes, but it seems the glass fitter couldn't find the issue, and basically gave up.
The last report I saw was a stalemate. But someone would have had to blink.

 

[Gregs24]

Yes, but it seems the glass fitter couldn't find the issue, and basically gave up.
The last report I saw was a stalemate. But someone would have had to blink.

Really simple - was it working OK before the new screen was fitted?

If so the fitter / screen company need to pay to sort it.

 

[LouG]

Really simple - was it working OK before the new screen was fitted?

If so the fitter / screen company need to pay to sort it.

It is simple. Then people make it difficult.

 

[smurfslayer]

Really simple - was it working OK before the new screen was fitted?

If so the fitter / screen company need to pay to sort it.

They’re not going to want to eat the cost of that windshield and labor. In principle, I agree, but who’s to say the calibration machine was simply not working? Or a lazy / unqualified tech running the calibrator?

 

[Gregs24]

They’re not going to want to eat the cost of that windshield and labor. In principle, I agree, but who’s to say the calibration machine was simply not working? Or a lazy / unqualified tech running the calibrator?

The calibration is done in the car when being driven - no machine required.

If you are paid to do a job you do the job to completion

 

[smurfslayer]

The calibration is done in the car when being driven - no machine required.

If you are paid to do a job you do the job to completion

I mean, you could be right but that’s not the information I was given and not what I’m seeing on the internet - ex.: https://www.nuvisionautoglass.com/g...tion-is-crucial-after-windshield-replacement/

"This process requires special tools and software to ensure perfect alignment of the ADAS components. The only drawback of this process is the difficulty of allocating the space needed for this work.”

etc.

I don’t know, I don’t replace windshields for a living, or as an amateur, I just do my part to ensure those who do replace windshields have steady employment.

 

[Gregs24]

I mean, you could be right but that’s not the information I was given and not what I’m seeing on the internet - ex.: https://www.nuvisionautoglass.com/g...tion-is-crucial-after-windshield-replacement/

"This process requires special tools and software to ensure perfect alignment of the ADAS components. The only drawback of this process is the difficulty of allocating the space needed for this work.”

etc.

I don’t know, I don’t replace windshields for a living, or as an amateur, I just do my part to ensure those who do replace windshields have steady employment.

Yes as per that link. It can be done in a workshop (static) or on the road (dynamic)

A lot of screens in the UK are done at the owners home or office by mobile units and they would use a dynamic recalibration with equipment plugged into the OBD port.

 

[smurfslayer]

with equipment plugged into the OBD port

That was my point. It’s not just set an option, get in the vehicle and drive, so there are variables beyond the windshield itself.

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