How do we save the mustang?

[DeluxeStang]

We should make a bet, your favorite drink. I did this on the GR Corolla Forums. Lol.

When the sedan comes out (if named Mustang, I’m sure it will) that over 3 years if the coupes sales dip further I get a Arizona tea, if sales go up I’ll get you a drink of your choice.

Sales of the coupe will dip most likely, but not more than sedan sales increase lol.

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[MaddNomad]

Sales of the coupe will dip most likely, but not more than sedan sales increase lol.

Sedan sales will be good but you’ll see a drop in coupe sales as it rises. Which goes against the sedan “boosting” coupe sales like you said:

Everytime a four and a two door are sold, it boosts sales of the two models, there's no question that if Ford made a mustang sedan, sales would double, triple as long as it was priced right.

That’s why I want to make the bet and use what you said as the standard. We know the sedan is already coming so we can definitely see if this theory is true!

As far as the real Mustang goes I agree they need to either update the chassis or go completely into the sports car arena. But with what Ford is doing with the S650, whatever’s next will most likely stay on the fence still between that GT/Sports car ethos. Car might get a little lighter but nothing crazy I think.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Sedan sales will be good but you’ll see a drop in coupe sales as it rises. Which goes against the sedan “boosting” coupe sales like you said:

That’s why I want to make the bet and use what you said as the standard. We know the sedan is already coming so we can definitely see if this theory is true!

As far as the real Mustang goes I agree they need to either update the chassis or go completely into the sports car arena. But with what Ford is doing with the S650, whatever’s next will most likely stay on the fence still between that GT/Sports car ethos. Car might get a little lighter but nothing crazy I think.

I should clarify that I agree the coupe sales will likely drop if a sedan comes out. But my thought process is, if the sedan and coupe are able to share a platform, powertrains, some other parts, then those shared parts will be selling in higher volumes. Instead of that classis selling in 50k units, it can sell in over 100k annual units, giving Ford way more units to distribute development costs through, which is key to trying to slow the rate of mustang price increases.

The price only goes down or stabilizers if volume goes up, economies of scale my friend. The current mustang is super inefficient to build because it's riding on an orphan platform, it's the only product that uses that chassis. Using a shared platform could be the key to help fix this.

 

[MaddNomad]

I should clarify that I agree the coupe sales will likely drop if a sedan comes out. But my thought process is, if the sedan and coupe are able to share a platform, powertrains, some other parts, then those shared parts will be selling in higher volumes. Instead of that classis selling in 50k units, it can sell in over 100k annual units, giving Ford way more units to distribute development costs through, which is key to trying to slow the rate of mustang price increases.

The price only goes down or stabilizers if volume goes up, economies of scale my friend. The current mustang is super inefficient to build because it's riding on an orphan platform, it's the only product that uses that chassis. Using a shared platform could be the key to help fix this.

That’s what I was wondering honestly

but I get you.

A sedan in general is needed in my opinion though to add to their performance lineup perception (platform/parts sharing as well) and a RS would help. I also agree that a new chassis is really needed to help continue that flagship sports coupe image that Farley wants.

Just the whole naming thing is becoming a weird issue where it helps the cars being named, but doesn’t help the Mustang itself. Like that recent headline is ridiculous.

 

[robvas]

It's simple: Strip the GT down so it costs as much as the base EB

You can't tell me the Coyote engine alone costs $11,000 more, but that's the price difference.

$31,920 base GT would fly off dealer lots.

Oh, and enable people to tune the damn thing

 

[robvas]

Here's all the cars you can get with a V8. Mustang looks like a good deal.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/rankings/g61568654/v8-cars/

this is the same thinking that ends with you taking a 4 home from the bar at last call

 

[robvas]

The car needs to be new. They shot themselves in the foot when they made the S650 very similar to the S550. There's no appeal, there's no wow factor, it's just an expensive coupe. Not to mention starting to be left in the dust to what people are cross shopping it with.

yup. It's a ten year old car at this point. The S197 was around for 9 years. The SN95 was around for 10 years.

And the bad thing was....nothing new except a minor facelift. Basically the same powertrain other than the dumb dual throttle bodies.

They probably looked at the sales of the S550 and just decided this would be the easiest way to keep it going but also not going to cost much to pull the plug.

Why would any S550 owner want to buy the new car? It's the same car. No new chassis, no new engine...

 

[Shawn82]

yup. It's a ten year old car at this point. The S197 was around for 9 years. The SN95 was around for 10 years.

And the bad thing was....nothing new except a minor facelift. Basically the same powertrain other than the dumb dual throttle bodies.

They probably looked at the sales of the S550 and just decided this would be the easiest way to keep it going but also not going to cost much to pull the plug.

Why would any S550 owner want to buy the new car? It's the same car. No new chassis, no new engine...

Especially from the tuning aspect, there's no groundbreaking reason for an S550 owner to get the new one.

 

[highvoltage]

What? This isn't a conversation about fuel economy lol.

What? This isn't a conversation about fuel economy lol.

then don’t mention it on your OP

 

[jimbo67]

How isn't the 650 not an upgrade? Minor I agree. They squeaked out 500 hp in this climate with all the EPA crap. And still a Na V8. When it's gone this conversation will drastically change. I'm sure they already made a decision moving forward. I for one probably won't be excited. But it is what it is!

 

[broncoboy22]

As a former stang owner who is looking to buy another one, my main reason has been the price. I got a fully loaded Bronco Badlands in ‘22. Which was expensive but worth it for all you got.

I would get a dark horse or a loaded GT tomorrow if there were additional things included to justify the price. Also it does need a face lift already since it looks so similar to S550

 

[DeluxeStang]

then don’t mention it on your OP

My God bro, the only time I even talked about fuel economy was when I mentioned CAFE requirements lol. More specifically, talking about how offering an EV coupe would lower Ford's fleet average, which is what helps brands keep a V8 around longer. Because you can produce more v8's while still meeting those requirements IF you produce more EVs to bring that average back down.

 

[DeluxeStang]

How isn't the 650 not an upgrade? Minor I agree. They squeaked out 500 hp in this climate with all the EPA crap. And still a Na V8. When it's gone this conversation will drastically change. I'm sure they already made a decision moving forward. I for one probably won't be excited. But it is what it is!

It's an improvement, but is it improved enough to command a 50-60 grand price? Most people would say no.

 

[DeluxeStang]

It's simple: Strip the GT down so it costs as much as the base EB

You can't tell me the Coyote engine alone costs $11,000 more, but that's the price difference.

$31,920 base GT would fly off dealer lots.

Oh, and enable people to tune the damn thing

The issue is GM tried making a more affordable V8 6th Gen Camaro when sales were struggling. I'm sure they improved a little bit, but didn't make a massive difference. If they did, the Camaro would still be here.

We need to elevate the design and platform of the car to make it worth the higher price. That's a win-win for everyone, we as enthusiasts get an even cooler mustang, Ford's still able to turn a profit.

 

[highvoltage]

My God bro, the only time I even talked about fuel economy was when I mentioned CAFE requirements lol. More specifically, talking about how offering an EV coupe would lower Ford's fleet average, which is what helps brands keep a V8 around longer. Because you can produce more v8's while still meeting those requirements IF you produce more EVs to bring that average back down.

So you did bring up fuel economy. Point proven and also if they would get their vehicles rated properly it would help CAFE. So my post wasn’t incorrect to your post yet you act like it wasn’t even brought up. I know i know you are wrong and can’t take it. Shocker

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