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No, I didn't assume--I used market data that you're obviously too dense to understand. Market data looks at all the new cars in the market, which is exactly what you asked about. I really can't make it any simpler for you. I've provided you with proof that the Mustang is rising in price...

Good Lord, the data looks at the market as a whole. Don't be so pedantic. By the way, Google is your friend, use it. Here's an AP article from this year stating that new car prices have increased more than 21% since the start of 2020. Inflation over that time period was 18%. Mustang GT base...

And I agreed that there are other factors at play, but you absolutely can not discount the car itself and the price of said car. The Mustang sold more during the Great Recession than it did even with the small bump in sales due to the S650. The Mustang is on track to sell about 55,000 units...

They're not selling many as it is, if they keep raising the price they won't sell any. And let's be real, this platform has been around for 11 model years now with very little development outside of the Coyote, so I have to imagine that they're already keeping costs on the lower end. Hell, in...

This is only slightly related, but the amount of financial waste in corporate America has been absolutely egregious at every company I've worked for.

GM is subject to the same union deals as Ford, yet the well equipped Corvette I priced out only increased 3.6% versus the GT I built increasing over 7%. I get that Ford has to stay profitable--and maybe they NEED to increase the prices for the GT this much--but if it causes the customers to...

No kidding, I'm well aware of that. I'm not arguing that the cost should stay the same. Go look at the other thread or two on the 25 and you'll see a ton of people talking about the size of the price increase this year. What we're saying is the price increase for 25 is incredibly high given...

And how much more does it cost for 2025? That's the main issue, not the base price. Nobody buys a no option car. EDIT: The car I specced out is literally $5,000 more for the exact same GT. Actually that's not true, the 25 doesn't have wireless charging. Not a big deal to me, but still. A...

Look up the US inflation rates. I've already done it and I'm not doing it again for you. It was 6.5% in 2022. Destination charge on a 2018 was $900. The 2025 Mustang has a $1600 destination charge AND a $700 acquistion fee. I realize that Ford isn't going to lower the price, and as a result...

Right, which is more than the current inflation rate of 3.1%.

Again, nobody cares what it cost in 2018 when inflation was 1.9%. The inflationary period that affected everything was mainly 2021 and 2022 when inflation rates were 7% and 6.5% respectively, and the price of a Mustang GT has outpaced inflation, period. Additionally, the price isn't really 45K...

I can handle it in black, but every other color makes it look like it was made out of Legos to me.

Yeah, inflation does suck, and what I've mentioned multiple times in this thread alone is that the Mustang is increasing in price MUCH greater than inflation AND is increasing in price more than the industry in general since the beginning of our inflationary period. That's the whole point of...

As I told you in a different thread, I don't have a problem with the car, only the current price. I don't think it's a wise business decision to raise prices this much on a car that is barely outselling the outgoing car. Through the first 6 months of this year, Mustang sales are up 7% over...

Well, considering the C8 was an entirely new car--regardless of when it went on sale or was designed--and it cost 5% more than the previous year's car, I'd wager it would be a similar increase over the C8. For comparison sake, the S650 GT was a 12% increase over the 2023 for new sheet metal...

Incorrect. C8 production started in February of 2020. Covid was already a thing. Regardless, I'm not sure why you're stuck on whether or not the C8 is new and whatnot. That's not the argument. The argument is that the Mustang has had insane price increases in the last couple years. That's...

C8 production didn't begin until 2020, so yes, since 2020 the Corvette has been an entirely new car for the money versus new sheet metal, steering wheel, and dashboard. That's the same whether you want to go back to 2018 or 2020. It doesn't matter. Both cars have increased in price, but since...

Really, you can't think of anything that happened in 2020 and beyond that would've caused car prices to rise? Most of the increased car costs have happened post Covid, hence why I chose 2020, plus that numbers came from an article looking at car costs versus inflation since 2020. By the way...

I agree with what you're saying, but there's no way that Ford isn't disappointed that the refreshed Mustang didn't cause an uptick in sales. The economy also didn't stop the Corvette from increasing sales quarter over quarter (yes, these buyers may be less sensitive to interest rates and...

Yeah, I don't quite understand what Ford is doing here. The S650 is already not a hot seller, and yet they're going to come out with a sizable price increase that's well above inflation and well above most other models. That might be understandable if there were notable upgrades, but instead...