All great points. The sticky tires one applies even in the twenty first century. A lot of folks are taking 2024 tires and sticking them on 20 year old cars (otherwise stock) and setting new record lap times with them.
2004 Porsche Carrerra GT with 2024 tires, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2N0...
Sorry, but it is hard for me to find a real, unmodified L88. Like that one, the other I found has a different camshaft, too.
I think they show it was probably underrated, well, at least once you get that 2 inch exhaust off of it, and the log manifolds. Maybe it was dead on with the manifolds...
Maybe it was over 500.
I am not the keeper of knowledge regarding L88 engines for these 216 cars.
I was just pointing out some iffy stuff about that guy's post that you linked and also pointing out some real world drag strip e.t.s with optimal conditions slightly better than as delivered by...
(and the pure stock guys are running faster than 11.99 now, but I really don't think the results after years and years of this competition for any of these cars reflects what they could have done new).
I can take everything you say at face value and still point out that competitive racers with every trick in the book in a more modern racing class using a larger exhaust than stock ran 11.99 at 119 using traction tricks not available back in 1970.
That means that this car would have been a 12...
They dropped the compression in 1971 and the hp dropped to 330. In 1972, no change to the engine, but they went to net ratings, and the new rating was 255 hp. This net rating is the real world horsepower rating and is a big difference from 330.
What do you think that would be to the wheels?
LouG, All the time int he 80s in Hot Rod and Car Craft, builds were trying to get 1 hp per cubic inch, and lauding the factory models that exceeded that (the LT-1, a small block 350 chevy that got 370 hp in 1970, gross, mind you, this was before the switch to net).
Not to be nitpicky, but just in the interest of accuracy, it was not to the wheels. The Dynapack 3000 is to the axles. Hub dynos show 10-15% higher than wheel dynos all the time, and you can find references online to Dynapack in particular sometimes running higher percentages than that.
It is...
About that ringer by Jim Wangers: Great bit of history, here, though. I love the story.
https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/restored-ringer-gto-to-roll-out-at-gm-carlisle/
Read it. Great stuff!
And he got a 13.1 et. Much better than the 15s the car normally ran ("a dog" said Hot Rod...
And another point here is that the GT or Dark Horse is coming in with just a little over 300 cubic inches.
500 horsepower from a little over 300 inches would have been unimaginable 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 . . . 20, heck 10. The GT was putting out 435 from this little engine ten years...
So I read the link to the L88 dyno session. We have to take him at his word about "stock," but I did read (A) a dynapak 3000 generous dyno, (B) open headers and (C) carb replacement. Oh, he mentioned that he had the original Chevrolet numbers matching carb, but did he install it on the engine...
Nostalgia and sentimentality, but not real world. Everybody has to listen to the guy talk about his new car bought at the dealer that would pop a wheelie on launch and run 10s . . . it's BS. Cars have come a long way.
426 Hemi was 425 horsepower, and that was gross, not net, on a dyno with...
In all seriousness, stickier tires will help a lot. I am running Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires (315/30 on 19 x 11 inch wheels on the rear), and they stick pretty well on the street.
And there is a big difference in a 480, 486, 500 horsepower engine and a 350 horsepower 90s Corvette engine or...