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  1. How many are regretting

    I think you are talking about the bezel. It's huge on the S650 and a reason why it looks so cheap. The last time Apple, Samsung or basically any tech company released a product with such huge bezels was back in 2010 or before that. Without enlarging the screen I think it would do the overall...
  2. New dark horse vs used 2020 gt500

    The correct choice but $85k should be quite a bit more than 'less than $5000 more' than a Dark Horse ;) Anyhow, I envy your decision and would love to have the option to get a GT500 for $85K... Here in Germany used GT500s start around 120000€...
  3. Dark Horse A10 vs GT350 Drag Race (Hennessey)

    Test all you want but the results will not in any way justify the heavy pricetag of the DH... The GT350 was a bargain and is more valuable today than ever before whereas the DH will loose in value quite rapidly. DH at $55K would be justifiable to me. However, if there will ever be a 'small'...
  4. Insane 0-60

    Here are some real world numbers from American Muscle. They compared their S550 to their S650. 0-60 4.87 S550 0-60 4.66 S650
  5. Tested Performance Numbers: 2024 Mustang Dark Horse (by Car and Driver)

    Just found this awesome video regarding HP ratings. It's well made and I just enjoyed watching this.
  6. 2024 fully loaded Mustang DH is going for more than a 5-year-old C7 Corvette.

    He did but almost everything is of higher quality in the C8. I don't know the 1LT (base) quality as we only get the 2LT and 3LT versions in Europe but the 2LT trim has a way better interior than any Mustang ever. I'm not talking about design but quality of the used materials, panel fitment etc...
  7. Dark Horse vs GT350 Mustang roll races

    I really don’t like this youtuber and I’m not talking about his pathetic sunglasses… I’m talking about camera movement and placement. Great video idea but pathetic execution. It’s like this dude has never seen any drag/rolling race videos… Maybe he found his niche but to me it’s just the worst...
  8. Is the Dark Horse worth it?

    Ford overhyped the „all new“ Mustang quite a bit but that shouldn’t come as a surprise as all data indicated that that would be the case… When the car was revealed last year most people could immediately tell that the S650 is just a refreshed S550. It’s not a bad car and it’s at least a bit...
  9. Will there be an S650 refresh in 2026/2027?

    Rumors had it that the next GT500 will come around in 2025... Adding to the fact that Europe has tighter emission goals around the same time it's safe to assume that there will be a refresh around 25/26. The S650 was originally planned for 2022(not the once glory all new 2020 Mustang) and a 3 to...
  10. Tested Performance Numbers: 2024 Mustang Dark Horse (by Car and Driver)

    No, maybe all Americans do but most Germans (the ones that matter) advertise WHP simply because it's the only relevant number. If you buy a Mercedes, BMW or Porsche you get what you pay for and sometimes more. However, testing in the EU is different. Apparently in the US one can advertise a...
  11. Front AND rear pre collision sensors

    Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
  12. Front AND rear pre collision sensors

    I just received an email where Ford Germany is actually praising the technological abilities of the new Mustang... Most of it is marketing bla bla and stuff every other car can already do for several years. However, they're saying that there are pre collision sensors in the front and in the...
  13. Doesn't Seem Like A Mid-engine Mustang is Happening But...

    If it's European it's 100% going to be electric... In that case I don't care as much as there will be plenty of the same... "super fast electric coupe..." Only if they add emotions like the upcomming Dodge is trying to I see a future for these kind of cars.
  14. Official: 2025 Mustang GTD Revealed! 800+ HP 5.2L V8, Pushrod Suspension, $300K MSRP

    Maybe it does on paper but real world numbers are more often than not quite different. Ford usually OVERrates the Mustang. The S550 had 460 or more on paper but on a dyno they delivered around 420hp. Some argue wheel VS crank hp but what is the point of crank hp? It's marketing bull$hit. What...
  15. Leaked! Mustang GTD (Mid-Engine?) Supercar Special Project - Debuts @ Monterey Car Week on 8/17!

    Well, the successor for the GT will most likely be an awesome car and the GTD will most likely be a very good street legal track car. However, the price tag is what's going to ruin the fun. Mustang doesn't stand for maxed out performance or best in class... It should be an affordable pony car...
  16. Leaked! Mustang GTD (Mid-Engine?) Supercar Special Project - Debuts @ Monterey Car Week on 8/17!

    Unfortunately there will be no C8 competitor. We get this GTE /GT3 street legal version for $250k+ and maybe there will be a mid-engine GT successor. However, since the GT was extremely limited to VIPs and influential people I doubt that a new version would be any different, including its...
  17. Been out of the loop, s650 v8 lifespan?

    Internal documents / leaks mentioned 28 or 29,which is much more believable than 26. The S650 will have at least a lifespan of six to eight years, starting in 23. We'll most likely see a refresh in 25/26 with Android Automotive replacing Sync 4 and a GT500 successor around the same time.
  18. 2024 Mustang GT/EcoBoost Performance Track Testing: 0-60 MPH, 1/4 Mile, Braking & Skid Pad

    I think the question for almost everyone is "Is it worth the money?" The car is better than it's predecessor in every way but we talk about marginal improvements and a heavy uptick in price...
  19. 2024 Mustang GT/EcoBoost Performance Track Testing: 0-60 MPH, 1/4 Mile, Braking & Skid Pad

    Do you just want some unreliable numbers or is this some sort of wishful thinking? This was not "just a first drive"... You can say that about any other literal first drive, including stangmods biased run... Independent means to use third party instruments and not Fords implemented software to...
  20. 2024 Mustang GT/EcoBoost Performance Track Testing: 0-60 MPH, 1/4 Mile, Braking & Skid Pad

    the AT will be faster but 4.8 with the MT is what we get in Europe with the S550... somewhat disappointing...





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