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  1. Will you be ordering a manual or auto?

    Most people aren't buying an S650 for racing. I can't disagree with you on this. Automatics shift automatically without the driver pushing in a clutch. Yes, a DCT has different mechanisms, but it does the same thing. It even slips the clutches excessively to simulate a torque converter...
  2. All Black DARK HORSE Mustang (Shadow Black). Batmobile 🦇

    I agree the dark bags under the eyes are a controversial design choice. I also don't really like the matte/gloss alternating plastics too much. But it still looks really good to me. Totally sinister. Awesome. Compared to some competitive vehicles that came out and looked so terrible that...
  3. Carbon Fiber Wheels on Dark Horse Mustang – First Look!

    I suppose Ford has to make these ugly to differentiate from the halo model when it comes out. Can't have the plebes with their $75K Dark Horses getting the same wheels as the toppity top Mustang model.
  4. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP 💵

    I'm sure you realize this because it's very simple and obvious. People who make their living as car reviewers love cars. They also want to avoid irritating car companies if at all possible. In fact, they would much prefer to suck up to car companies at least a little. Their living depends on...
  5. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP 💵

    The GT350 had a high price as well. Too high for what it was. The 5.2 isn't that different than a 5.0. They are essentially identical with just some tuning changes. The kind of things that used to be no big deal but now there is a huge premium on them. A 4% increase in displacement is...
  6. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP 💵

    I think Tesla was making sure that people who purchase their cars would get the Federal tax credit for buying an EV. The tax credit was set up so Tesla didn't qualify at their previous prices, which was a disadvantage for Tesla in the market. Now Tesla will be more on equal footing by...
  7. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP 💵

    Able to? It depends on how many Ford makes, right? Typically they never make enough to meet demand. As far as the money part of "able to" - probably almost anyone could buy one. However, probably most people think it would be a bad financial move to do so. I'll stick with cars that are...
  8. 2024 Mustang Dark Horse PRICING Leaked: $57,970 Base MSRP 💵

    I must be nuts that I think the CF wheels price isn't bad. The car itself is way too much though. For $57K it should have handling package and CF wheels included.
  9. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    I don't think the Camaro is bad. I just don't think it looks anything like an S650 Mustang, whether or not the Camaro picked features off a '67 Mustang to copy. And I think people who come on a Ford forum and say that the next Mustang looks like a Camaro are trolling. You got the response you...
  10. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    I spent too much time on the first two images. I had to stare at them quite a while to see what you were talking about. The second images that are really isolated almost make your point. However, I just see a similarity to the '67 Mustang in the Mustang design. I guess you are saying that...
  11. C&D Lightning Lap 2023

    No I agree with you that Ford isn't alone by any means. I also agree that people are spending a lot of money on cars. I bought my 2018 FiST for a really great price. It was used, but only had 500 miles on it and had been traded from dealer to dealer. I think the FiST was a really good...
  12. C&D Lightning Lap 2023

    The funny thing about inflation is that it doesn't happen if people don't accept the high prices. I'm not supporting 30% inflation. It seems foolish to me. I don't believe Ford is paying their people 30% more money. I think Ford is just pocketing a bunch of extra money with these high prices...
  13. C&D Lightning Lap 2023

    When I bought my GT350 MSRP was $55,195. Still too much money, but I decided to pay it. I foolishly even paid $5K dealer ADM. I loved the car, but it was dumb of me to spend so much on it. The Mach 1 fully loaded should have been cheaper than a GT350. I won't accept an MSRP close to $20k...
  14. C&D Lightning Lap 2023

    I'm hoping for some serious deflation, because I'm not interested at all if they cost anywhere near that. The Mach 1 already costs too much. If Ford has to charge that much to make money on the DH, they have serious issues.
  15. C&D Lightning Lap 2023

    Here's for hoping GM puts a decent manual transmission in the car sometime soon. It's a shame it's not even available with 3 pedals. Basically they gave up on making it fun to drive.
  16. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    Nah, the proportions and style of the S650 and S550 are nearly identical. They use the same basic bodies with just a couple creases moved around. I used to think you posted some good content on here. Now it just seems like (bad) comedy.
  17. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    I think just the fact that people on here want to argue when I say Mustang is better than Camaro makes my point for me.
  18. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    What I said was "Camaro is too expensive for what you get". I didn't say it was too expensive. And I think sales figures show that I'm 100% correct in my opinion. There's something a little off about anyone who prefers a Camaro to a Mustang. I can't explain how you would think that. The...
  19. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    I agree with a lot of what you said. Ford tends to build the Mustang with comfort as top priority. Even the GT350 I owned was very soft and comfortable on the road as a daily. I put the track handling suspension from FP in my 2017 and it's still significantly softer than my GR86 stock...
  20. 2024 Mustang GT (7th gen) vs. 2023 Camaro SS (6th gen) -- Specs Comparison

    I will admit if there's a better car out there. There are lots of better cars out there, depending on your budget and what you want to use the car for. The 911 is a much better car than the Mustang. So is the Cayman. Just two examples. I do tend to prefer front engine rear drive cars...





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