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I don't blame you. Both GM and Ford need to get their act together for the average consumer. These two cars are cool but 90% of the public can't afford either one so they could care less about lap times. Farley also needs to keep Porsche out his mouth. The Mustang will never compare to a Porsche...

Ford's CEO should focus on all the recalls they have instead of a lap time for their halo car.

They are actually cheaper at least in my area. The RAV4 which is one of the best selling is about 10k cheaper than a GT and 2k cheaper than an Ecoboost. And that's just base models not premiums.

3.15 is king with boost. Goal is not to go into 7th when you start making bigger power.

You still have the whole Corvette lineup unless you need back seats. They're all powerful enough to get you pulled over. The Mustangs problem is it doesn't make any torque down low and you've got to spin them high to get them going. That's why I chose the Roush to help the lower end.

668hp and only a couple hundred pounds heavier than a pretty well equiped GT. That 659lb-ft of torque it puts out more than makes up for the weight it carries.

Parts won't be hard to come by especially engine parts. It's still running the Lt4 and there are plenty of parts for those. I'd personally take the Blackwing over the Mustang and that's with me having a Stage 2 Roush blower on my Mustang.

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You're comparing a low compression 3v on race fuel to a high compression coyote.... you're quite the special one.

I don't think 26-27 degrees of timing shoved down their throat from the factory is "conservative" by any means.

Most turbo kits are mid mounted now. Too much heat and clutter under the hood to mount them there. On3 has a kit and it's mid mounted too.

141 in swamp air. Later trapped a 149. That thing is definitely making what's advertised. Come fall/winter that thing is going to hurt a lot of feelings roll racing.

I figured that would be the case since they're all the way in Australia. Btw spot on with the GM stuff. Lt1 will do full E85 NA stock cubes. I didn't have to mess with fuel on my SS until I bored and stroked it to a 427 then the low side fell off so I had to add a aux pump plus a 32% fuel lobe...

So that's now HP Tuners and SCT. Heard anything about the PCMtec camp?

As far as I know the MPVI3 and the RTD 4 are the only devices supported/capable of tuning the s650. Not sure about the OTA thing. Maybe Zx can chime in on that.

All good. Everyone is learning right now, that's why I'm not in a hurry for a tune. I want the early bugs/weaknesses found out for this gen. I'll just keep rocking the Roush tune for a little bit longer while I get my wishlist together.

Been that way for a while since gen 2 especially with a cobra jet intake. I was referring to your stronger parts( connecting rods) comment. Those will come in to play with boost. The question with this generation is if they're going to spin them that high how well is the valvetrain going to hold up.

Those won't come into play until boost. I've seen previous gens rev out to 8500 and beyond. It's going to get very interesting for the s650 platform now.

It is cracked. HP Tuners just made their post about 30 min ago. Hit them up with your questions.

You probably won't get that info until hp tuners posts that they've cracked it. Right now all your going to get is people selling product. That's not to say it's a bad thing but all the real nitty gritty stuff you're better off asking HP Tuners.