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seems like a lot of worry about something that hasn't happened. do you fear your car will not start? why? you said you start it every couple weeks. unless you have a drain on your battery you should be fine, right?
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seems like a lot of worry about something that hasn't happened. do you fear your car will not start? why? you said you start it every couple weeks. unless you have a drain on your battery you should be fine, right?
If you have been following any of the other battery threads, its well established that these cars suck down battery pretty fast when they sit, and don't adequately charge on short drives. Unfortunately the OP doesn't have a the ability to use a batter tender where they park.
 

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i guess i haven't seen those threads. Is it a phantom drain or a known issue that can be addressed? Sucks to have that problem on a 60K new car.
 

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i guess i haven't seen those threads. Is it a phantom drain or a known issue that can be addressed? Sucks to have that problem on a 60K new car.
Not sure if it's a parasitic drain, or just the fact that there are tons of electronics on these cars, or poor batteries from Ford.

Many people, including me, have inadvertently discoverd their batteries are not at full charged and have had issues with updates and or Ford pass connectivity because of it. One poster recently had a dead battery after a long distance drive and then parking it for two weeks.
 

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I guess a jump pack is mandatory for piece of mind.
And a good set of cables and at least the tools to do an on road battery swap.
I just changed the OE battery in the Challenger after 9 years. I still carry all that stuff tho.
 


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If you have been following any of the other battery threads, its well established that these cars suck down battery pretty fast when they sit, and don't adequately charge on short drives. Unfortunately the OP doesn't have a the ability to use a batter tender where they park.
I think also that once a battery is discharged once they really do suffer from then on. Letting them go flat and then using a booster to start them will not be a solution as the battery will be destroyed. It takes a LONG drive to recover from a cold start, I did a 5 hour drive in the summer (my car is a daily) and only right near the end did the voltage drop to around 13 volts indicating the battery was 'fully' charged (we know they only charge to 80%)

If you leave any car more than about 3 weeks there is a risk of a flat battery.

Ford do put there cars into a lower draw state after a few days when the battery voltage drops to a certain point, which will trigger the message on Sync. I left my car 3 weeks without any problems but it had disabled remote functions at that point.
 

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I think also that once a battery is discharged once they really do suffer from then on. Letting them go flat and then using a booster to start them will not be a solution as the battery will be destroyed. It takes a LONG drive to recover from a cold start, I did a 5 hour drive in the summer (my car is a daily) and only right near the end did the voltage drop to around 13 volts indicating the battery was 'fully' charged (we know they only charge to 80%)

If you leave any car more than about 3 weeks there is a risk of a flat battery.

Ford do put there cars into a lower draw state after a few days when the battery voltage drops to a certain point, which will trigger the message on Sync. I left my car 3 weeks without any problems but it had disabled remote functions at that point.
But isn’t an agm supposed to resolve that low discharge kaput problem?
 

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I think also that once a battery is discharged once they really do suffer from then on. Letting them go flat and then using a booster to start them will not be a solution as the battery will be destroyed. It takes a LONG drive to recover from a cold start, I did a 5 hour drive in the summer (my car is a daily) and only right near the end did the voltage drop to around 13 volts indicating the battery was 'fully' charged (we know they only charge to 80%)
Where on earth did you hear they only charge to 80%? 🤣 That is 100% false. And 13v doesn't mean it's fully charged.
 

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Where on earth did you hear they only charge to 80%? 🤣 That is 100% false. And 13v doesn't mean it's fully charged.
Not sure where you missed this but there are plenty of threads on here and other Ford forums / Forscan forums where it states the BMS restricts charge to 80% SOC to preserve battery life. In some cars you can change this using Forscan.

That is 100% true :giggle:

The running voltage of the vehicle is determined by the charging system (not the battery) and with modern alternators this will vary depending on battery SOC and other factors. It can be very complex but basically it will charge at a higher rate (around 14.5v) when needed but drop to around 13v when SOC is at or around 80%.

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Not sure where you missed this but there are plenty of threads on here and other Ford forums / Forscan forums where it states the BMS restricts charge to 80% SOC to preserve battery life. In some cars you can change this using Forscan.

That is 100% true :giggle:

The running voltage of the vehicle is determined by the charging system (not the battery) and with modern alternators this will vary depending on battery SOC and other factors. It can be very complex but basically it will charge at a higher rate (around 14.5v) when needed but drop to around 13v when SOC is at or around 80%.

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That is not true. A simple volt meter test proves this. There has been no such statements regarding the S650.
 

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That is not true. A simple volt meter test proves this. There has been no such statements regarding the S650.
What is not true? What simple test with a voltmeter?

ALL Ford cars and trucks use a BMS system in this way with a target SOC of 80% as a default

Check out the BCM settings here for the 2024 Mustang:

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What is not true? What simple test with a voltmeter?

ALL Ford cars and trucks use a BMS system in this way with a target SOC of 80% as a default

Check out the BCM settings here for the 2024 Mustang:

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Do you not know how to test a battery? If you need me to explain what a voltage test is, then you shouldn't be arguing.
 

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Do you not know how to test a battery? If you need me to explain what a voltage test is, then you shouldn't be arguing.
Ehh?

The engine is running in everything I have mentioned above, nothing to do with testing a battery with the engine off. I am well aware how to check a battery SOC on a non-running car.

Not sure why you are finding this so difficult to understand?

ALL Ford cars have a BMS that determines the charging of the 12v battery when the engine is running. It changes the output of the alternator (or DC-DC converter in EV's) between around 14.5v and 13v depending on the SOC of the 12v battery which has a target of 80% SOC as per the post above to prolong battery life and reduce the risk of overcharging. It will go a little above 80% at times but will also maintain that buffer to avoid reaching 100%.

The comment about my own car and monitoring the voltage on a long journey confirms this.

I'm not making this up you know - all the evidence is there as I have posted and it isn't just Ford that use this system. Why would people be changing the target SOC setting in their Mustangs and other cars if it wasn't there?

There is simply nothing to argue about 🤷‍♂️
 

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Got it. So you don't know how to use a voltmeter and check a battery. But won't admit it and would rather argue. 👍🏻

Ive defended you in the past, but im really losing my bandwidth for the constang back and forth you do here. This thread is a mile off topic already. Have fun 👋🏻
 

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Ehh?

The engine is running in everything I have mentioned above, nothing to do with testing a battery with the engine off. I am well aware how to check a battery SOC on a non-running car.

Not sure why you are finding this so difficult to understand?

ALL Ford cars have a BMS that determines the charging of the 12v battery when the engine is running. It changes the output of the alternator (or DC-DC converter in EV's) between around 14.5v and 13v depending on the SOC of the 12v battery which has a target of 80% SOC as per the post above to prolong battery life and reduce the risk of overcharging. It will go a little above 80% at times but will also maintain that buffer to avoid reaching 100%.

The comment about my own car and monitoring the voltage on a long journey confirms this.

I'm not making this up you know - all the evidence is there as I have posted and it isn't just Ford that use this system. Why would people be changing the target SOC setting in their Mustangs and other cars if it wasn't there?

There is simply nothing to argue about 🤷‍♂️
Does the bms do the remote features disabled at 75% ?
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