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In my humble opinion, ICE is a dying product. Just look at China. They stole our phone / chip and battery technology and used them to develop their vehicles. And next they will use them on their weapons of war.

Alot of our AI and EV technology were created by the west. Because America didn't see any profits in them, we never fully developed them. China in 2010 saw a need for AI to spy on their own people, and "invested" in these American tech companies. And now look at where they are.
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American innovation, so good it’s become an acronym.
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To all my friends worried about innovation, it's gonna be ok. Not having to rely on government programs and subsidies has actually really benefited Ford's future EV plans. Instead of making kinda mid-tier EVs that lost a lot of money, Ford rethought literally everything for their upcoming affordable EVs, they had to in order to actually start making money on them.

There's a lot out there now if you research Ford's skunkworks EV teams, I can't emphasize enough how impressive that team is, led by the guy who created the model 3 and Y with software teams hired from Apple, and aero work done by F1 aerodynamicists, generally the strongest talent in the industry under one roof, given compete creative autonomy from traditional Ford ways of thinking.

The platform they came up with is radical, simple, designed to be very easy and affordable to build, that simplicity will also improve reliability and ease of repair. It's been designed to be super flexible, and can accommodate 8 body styles.

The 2 hinted at thus far are a maverick sized truck, and get this, an affordable RWD performance sedan!!

The 30k EV truck that will be RWD, as fast as a mustang Ecoboost, have more downforce, great handling, more room inside than a rav 4, and have an on-board generator to power your house for 6 days. Described as having a new silhouette, this news came around the same time the ranchero name was trademarked, so it'll probably be called ranchero.

The other product their CEO has mentioned recently was an affordable performance sedan, a RWD sporty car that was inexpensive, with a unique closure system so you can carry more stuff. Sounds like a new escort or Galaxie based on how he was describing it, like Ford's take on a model 3 which is one of the best selling cars in the world.

We went from EVs to that were just ok, to EVs that genuinely sound badass, and super appealing to a wider range of buyers, all because Ford had to fix the EV affordability issue itself rather than relying on the government to do it. You put a 100k 3 row SUV EV in front of me, I won't care. Show me a fun, well executed sports ute or sedan with a starting price of about 30k, that's a hell yeah moment.
 

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It really isn't difficult if you go top primary sources and ignore opinion pieces and extremists on both sides.

There is plenty of hard data / evidence for the rapid change in global temperatures way beyond anything in the previous hundreds of thousands of years that has happened in the last 50 or less. If you want to find this ignore opinion pieces, news items etc and go to scientific peer reviewed papers in proper journals by climatologists.

Changes can make a difference as is evidenced by the Ozone layer recovery

WMO Bulletin shows successful recovery of ozone layer, driven by science
I don't necessarily disagree, but science, medicine, knowledge and understanding are constantly evolving.

Did the shroud of Turin cover Jesus' body? Or was it from a later era? Probably not a fair analogy to make, but since discovery our answers on this have changed. So have our data on climate.
None of the scientists around today were around and practicing in their fields to know if their positions which are accepted now, would be sound then.

The climate is changing. It was 82F on Saturday, today it's barely 50 and there is some wetness coming from the clouds. :crackup: I'll bet we haven't seen a steady rain since...May.
The climate changes cyclically, but how long have we actually tracked it? El Niño, La Niña, heavy Saharan dust, 'canes, tornadoes, hail, giant meteor.

I can accept that there is climate change and that at least some of the data underpinning it is true, and, based on previous experience, a lot of it will be found to be incorrect.

So I'm not joining the climate change death cult. Y'all can follow Greta if you want, but I want an invite to the EOTW gathering so I can watch the disappointment when the world doesn't end. AGAIN.
 

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-China is innovating and advancing to the next technological revolution.
-UK use to controlled the world after the industrial revolution.
-America controlled the world. Every single computer in the world uses Microsoft software. This spawned cellular phone tech. And now Americans are celebrating going back to coal and more fossil fuels.
-What next? Can shining shoes, assembly line work and picking cotton be far behind. No wonder people want to make America great again. But nobody wants to hear the truth
 


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To all my friends worried about innovation, it's gonna be ok. Not having to rely on government programs and subsidies has actually really benefited Ford's future EV plans. Instead of making kinda mid-tier EVs that lost a lot of money, Ford rethought literally everything for their upcoming affordable EVs, they had to in order to actually start making money on them.

There's a lot out there now if you research Ford's skunkworks EV teams, I can't emphasize enough how impressive that team is, led by the guy who created the model 3 and Y with software teams hired from Apple, and aero work done by F1 aerodynamicists, generally the strongest talent in the industry under one roof, given compete creative autonomy from traditional Ford ways of thinking.

The platform they came up with is radical, simple, designed to be very easy and affordable to build, that simplicity will also improve reliability and ease of repair. It's been designed to be super flexible, and can accommodate 8 body styles.

The 2 hinted at thus far are a maverick sized truck, and get this, an affordable RWD performance sedan!!

The 30k EV truck that will be RWD, as fast as a mustang Ecoboost, have more downforce, great handling, more room inside than a rav 4, and have an on-board generator to power your house for 6 days. Described as having a new silhouette, this news came around the same time the ranchero name was trademarked, so it'll probably be called ranchero.

The other product their CEO has mentioned recently was an affordable performance sedan, a RWD sporty car that was inexpensive, with a unique closure system so you can carry more stuff. Sounds like a new escort or Galaxie based on how he was describing it, like Ford's take on a model 3 which is one of the best selling cars in the world.

We went from EVs to that were just ok, to EVs that genuinely sound badass, and super appealing to a wider range of buyers, all because Ford had to fix the EV affordability issue itself rather than relying on the government to do it. You put a 100k 3 row SUV EV in front of me, I won't care. Show me a fun, well executed sports ute or sedan with a starting price of about 30k, that's a hell yeah moment.
The 30k EV truck that will be RWD, as fast as a mustang Ecoboost, have more downforce, great handling, more room inside than a rav 4, and have an on-board generator to power your house for 6 days.
An ev without an engine cannot be a generator, it can be an energy storage device with applicable outlets or provide the ability to backflow current using a preexisting wiring interface, but not a generator in the same way duracell doesn’t make an engine.

but otherwise sounds potentially interesting.

Still gonna be niche until the ever present 110volt outlet is able to recharge in 10 minutes or less.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree, but science, medicine, knowledge and understanding are constantly evolving.

Did the shroud of Turin cover Jesus' body? Or was it from a later era? Probably not a fair analogy to make, but since discovery our answers on this have changed. So have our data on climate.
None of the scientists around today were around and practicing in their fields to know if their positions which are accepted now, would be sound then.

The climate is changing. It was 82F on Saturday, today it's barely 50 and there is some wetness coming from the clouds. :crackup: I'll bet we haven't seen a steady rain since...May.
The climate changes cyclically, but how long have we actually tracked it? El Niño, La Niña, heavy Saharan dust, 'canes, tornadoes, hail, giant meteor.

I can accept that there is climate change and that at least some of the data underpinning it is true, and, based on previous experience, a lot of it will be found to be incorrect.

So I'm not joining the climate change death cult. Y'all can follow Greta if you want, but I want an invite to the EOTW gathering so I can watch the disappointment when the world doesn't end. AGAIN.
I have no time for Greta because she politicises climate change which just gives fuel to the deniers.

Remember weather is not climate. Climate influences weather.

Climate data goes back thousands of years based on evidence. Yes, more evidence and data makes future predictions better and genuine climatologists fully understand this unlike climate zealots of both persuasions who can only see one viewpoint whatever the data says.

It is funny how some people can accept some scientific evidence such as engineering, medicine, electronics but choose to not accept climate change, probably because they don't actually want to change what they do or how they live (although they would never admit that).
 

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-China is innovating and advancing to the next technological revolution.
-UK use to controlled the world after the industrial revolution.
-America controlled the world. Every single computer in the world uses Microsoft software. This spawned cellular phone tech. And now Americans are celebrating going back to coal and more fossil fuels.
-What next? Can shining shoes, assembly line work and picking cotton be far behind. No wonder people want to make America great again. But nobody wants to hear the truth
Erm I'm not sure every computer in the world uses Microsoft software, but I take your point - the US used to innovate and still does but some people want to go back down holes. I find it odd that it is seen as progress?

The good old days weren't!
 

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@135Hoser ..... exactly - just study weather across the centuries and you'll see that massive swings are normal and if I'm wrong I'll head to mars with Elon - but - seriously - NOTHING we do in NA counts for spit! India, Africa, China - without them buying-in, and they won't/can't we are all headed for Mars! Just sayin'
 

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I don't necessarily disagree, but science, medicine, knowledge and understanding are constantly evolving.

Did the shroud of Turin cover Jesus' body? Or was it from a later era? Probably not a fair analogy to make, but since discovery our answers on this have changed. So have our data on climate.
None of the scientists around today were around and practicing in their fields to know if their positions which are accepted now, would be sound then.

The climate is changing. It was 82F on Saturday, today it's barely 50 and there is some wetness coming from the clouds. :crackup: I'll bet we haven't seen a steady rain since...May.
The climate changes cyclically, but how long have we actually tracked it? El Niño, La Niña, heavy Saharan dust, 'canes, tornadoes, hail, giant meteor.

I can accept that there is climate change and that at least some of the data underpinning it is true, and, based on previous experience, a lot of it will be found to be incorrect.

So I'm not joining the climate change death cult. Y'all can follow Greta if you want, but I want an invite to the EOTW gathering so I can watch the disappointment when the world doesn't end. AGAIN.
82 Saturday and 50 today is not climate. That is weather.
 

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Just remember the Mustang is more economical than trucks and SUV's :wink:

Remember also that change is not all or nothing overnight (unless you are Greta) but does involve change over time. I didn't replace all of my incandescent bulbs with LED's on one day, I changed them as the old ones failed.
Not sure how the metrics of this economy are being measured. My EcoBoost Premium Convertible is like the Mastercard used to be: Priceless. But my wife's Maverick XLT Hybrid cost $20,000 less than my Mustang and gets 42 MPG.
 

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@135Hoser ..... exactly - just study weather across the centuries and you'll see that massive swings are normal and if I'm wrong I'll head to mars with Elon - but - seriously - NOTHING we do in NA counts for spit! India, Africa, China - without them buying-in, and they won't/can't we are all headed for Mars! Just sayin'
Climate drives weather. More energy in the atmosphere (climate change) means changes to climatic drivers with subsequent changes in weather patterns. More energy means more water can be held in the atmosphere leading to more frequent severe weather events (storms, snow, wind etc)

China has more renewable energy production than any other country. It now has capacity to generate over half of it's electricity by renewables and exceeds that from coal. China is changing so fast.

Everything everybody does everywhere has an impact - it is a global problem.
 

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Not sure how the metrics of this economy are being measured. My EcoBoost Premium Convertible is like the Mastercard used to be: Priceless. But my wife's Maverick XLT Hybrid cost $20,000 less than my Mustang and gets 42 MPG.
I was thinking V8 F150 not hybrid but yes it is astonishing the rate of progress on hybrids. We have a PHEV Kuga (Escape) that does about half it's mileage on electric from our solar panels and the rest from petrol at about 50mpg.
 

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Remember this is a US problem caused by failure to invest in infrastructure (hence cheap electricity) - Not all countries are like this.
As someone in the industry, you're incorrect. There's lots of money going directly into our electrical infrastructure. Ask yourself, there's only so much money and time. You can't just spawn a new grid. We're getting there and in states like Texas there's actually an energy surplus : )

Also @Gregs24 plz stop replying to everyone individually. That's what multi quote is for. This ain't Facebook you're clogging the feed\

Edit: Wait you're not even in the US 😂 just spamming policy you've never experienced. PS the ozone has been repairing itself for a while now, the world isn't ending
 
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I was thinking V8 F150 not hybrid but yes it is astonishing the rate of progress on hybrids. We have a PHEV Kuga (Escape) that does about half it's mileage on electric from our solar panels and the rest from petrol at about 50mpg.

I know that not everyone is a fan of PHEVs but will say when I was commuting 80 miles a day to work prior to working from home, I had a Chevy Volt and it was a great commuter car - charge at home- charge at work ....gas motor for longer trips (or when they did rolling black outs in California where I live)......sold it with 150K miles on it - the only complaint was it went through tires quickly ..........but other then that- almost no maintenance at all.....

Even without the tax credits, if put in the same situation where I had a long commute to work I would go that direction again.....

I think this is the perfect case where a car can stand on its own without needing tax credits.....
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