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I think Army= Mustang Navy= BMW hahahaha

That describes most of America, Fat and Expensive! LOL I think it handles the little extra weight quit well actually. Ford worked some magic on the magnaride tuning

I know you didn't ask me but I'll tell you biggest improvement from my 21 M1 to 24 DH is the chassis, much more solid planted ride that soaks bumps way better.

Not interested in 4-door sports cars so I compared and test drove 2- M2 manual's before buying the Dark Horse Premium for $63k , not $80k which is stupid money for a Mustang imo and I found that the manual in the BMW was no where near as good as the Tremec feels. very vague and rubber feel...

Wow! Ok then, that’s not to comforting. Thank you Rob!

I’ve been corresponding with Jugernaut. I never really heard of them much before but I like what he has to say about how they use the flex logic HP tuners is providing in their tunes. Anyone else ever use them?

And off to the trails I go!

Don’t get all butt hurt. We are just discussing tunes and options, trying to see why different tuners do it differently. Yeah, ZX is a little opinionated and abrasive but I like it! Lol

I’ve been doing it for 10 years . I actually brought my bike to a dealership to test it out before ordering my 15gt. I just putt the back seats down , put a thick towel over my bumper/trunk to protect paint, then I remove front tire and slide her in. Now that I have a more serious , larger...

So what does this F150 logic do differently than Mustang to help with flex ? Also, wondering if tuners do anything with torque management on a manual or is that not a thing ?

Ok, thanks for the recommendations ZX … I’m just blending e30 now being stock. I would be running straight e70 from my local pump in summer months and 93 in winter. In the summer I may drive further into the country to mountain bike and E85 pumps are not available. Or maybe I go to the road...

To me $800-$900 is worth it to run E85, not for 93 tune for a manual. I like noticeable power gains throughout the rpm. To say I have 530hp is way cooler than 500hp! LOL

I know ZX, I just like the flexibility and do not like having to reflash tunes at gas stations. I know you say it's so easy but sitting in my car for 10-15 min while a bluetooth app writes data and could have a problem is not my idea of comforting. Plus I don't want to worry about testing to...

Ford tune won’t have the ability to run e85. I do like Wengerd, they did amazing with my 10-speed flex tuning in the Mach 1 but now I have a manual and Wengerd doesn’t seem to be to eager to develop another Flex tune on the S650.

This is what I keep telling myself with only 3500 miles in the car! But I’m pretty impatient .. lol

So who are these 2 tuners you speak of?

I've been patiently waiting and watching as all these different tuners put out their #'s, opinions, etc. There are so many, and when you call the vendors, they really don't even know much about them. I"ve had Ford Perf, then Steeda 93 tunes on my 15GT manual Livernois then Wengerd Flex tunes...

I strongly feel the DH chassis is a huge upgrade. It absorbs bumps way quiter and firm. Corners with much more confidence when pushed. Rear end is way more planted. And I stiffened up my Mach with Steeda parts

I did! Both new for under msrp 21 non-hp Mach 1 premium auto for 3.5 years. 24 non-hp DH prem Tremec I’m very happy . Really love the manual and interior technology. Also the chassis on the DH in noticeably better

Got it, So carbon traps removed and high flow filters installed will probably yield the same power as a CAI with hood closed on a stock car. Looks cool though! Thanks for the info