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  1. Car value shock!!

    in the interests of the discussion and a certain somebody's bald assertions. Would you characterize your buyout price being about 15-18% below MSRP?
  2. 60th Anniversary Mustang - Coming April 17th

    I'd prefer they fix the mess people already have to live with.
  3. My Mustang on a Ship in the sea

    Cyber is rubbish. Vox is 1000% full of horse hockey
  4. Car value shock!!

    a "specific" answer only applies a couple weeks at a time. The TREND over time is what is important for a local market staying out of step with the rest of the country.
  5. My Mustang on a Ship in the sea

    you have to drive like a marooon to get the Torsen to activate enough for you to notice it.
  6. My Mustang on a Ship in the sea

    nice. I wish someone would paint that slab black plastic around the upper intake white or something useful.
  7. Car value shock!!

    just pay attention to the incentives. MI and CA get stuff all the time that the rest of the country doesn't get. If you haven't picked up on that, then you're not watching the market very carefully.
  8. Car value shock!!

    that's impressive. 22% off MSRP AFTER the dealer marked it up over whatever they paid the original owner. Probably at LEAST 3K delta. Which would mean the original owner took a haircut of 27% not counting the sunk cost of taxes. If 5K (quite common) the O took a 30% haircut on a current year...
  9. "Mustang Unleashed" national demo tour announced to celebrate Mustang's 60th Birthday. Registration now open

    please please please tell me there is a ride-along of a minimum of 3 laps in the VIR figure-8 loop, or at least south course.
  10. Car Starts Loud... Then Quiets Down after 45 Sec. Or So.

    how programmed != desired. IMO quiet mode should be quiet(ish) on startup - all flaps closed and throttle cracked only enough to hit the startup RPM. 10 seconds of elevated RPMs (1300 or so) then quickly drop to 1000-1100. If it's not doing that then it's programmed WRONG. Nothing pissed me...
  11. S650 Mustang GT versus C7 Corvette Accelertion

    you forgot the ONLY thing that will make any difference. 3.73 diff. Some would argue 4.09. And probably missing Torsen too? 500lb difference is 72HP deficit. Your C7 may have also had the e-Diff. You're comparing a "sorted" car to a "get autta hea" (bronx cheer) car.
  12. Car value shock!!

    you asked your dealer to do a regional/coastal search?
  13. Limbo?

    well you have 4 more years to bide your time. Maybe Ford will fix things. Maybe they'll come up with a color that isn't a derivative of gray.
  14. Car value shock!!

    ignoring 2020-2023, when and what vehicles? Can you post the full buyers order? Point being they may well have inflated your trade to sign the deal. Doesn't mean it was an "honest" assessment that you'd get if you walked into Carmax or another dealer with no intention of buying anything in...
  15. Car value shock!!

    yup that Ohio dealer has a bunch (all?) Mustangs at Invoice. Maybe the DH discount is in error, but maybe not. The mania is over whether buyers or some dealers what to admit it or not.
  16. Limbo?

    seriously, give it up. There is no rhyme or reason. There is no "should X" in any Ford IT system. You'd have better luck predicting the next earthquake on Jupiter.
  17. 1 set of UHP All Seasons OR summers + winters?

    against a good UHP A/S you're gonna need a less than TW200 summer in good and hot conditions to really notice anything. eg. when I swap my PS A/S for Cup2, I can tell there is a clear difference in lateral grip. I swap because I can. Not because for street driving it is in any way needed...
  18. Car value shock!!

    they grab back "profit margin" with these $800-1100 "doc" fees. A quick rule of thumb for domestics is nobody is selling at a loss at 9% below MSRP. If you're a big dealer and between the 'advertising funds' and this and that from the manufacturer you're getting pretty close to landed cost at...
  19. 1 set of UHP All Seasons OR summers + winters?

    hmm, really? Pretty sure I saw a decent cross-section of 255/40/19 winter options. You could go down to 245 too. A bit stretched but 245-255/45 would be enough sidewall generally speaking. I counted 5 or 9 options in suitable sizes.





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