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https://www.motor1.com/news/746180/ford-mustang-worst-sales-year-ever/ Keep raising the price - seems like it's working out.

Agreed. My opinion is that Ford should have priced these in the $50-60k range. It wouldn't even have been an internal debate (between the G87 or C8) at that point. I just don't think the DH would be able to sell at the same volume (assuming Ford had the production capacity) as the C8 in the...

Yup, same. Wouldn't even consider a DH unless we see 4-6% under invoice pricing. At 60-65k, my pick would be a G87 M2. At 75-80k, my pick would be a C8 Z51. The DH is pretty much in no man's land.

This is the problem. The DH pricing has gotten so out of hand it doesn't make that much sense to buy one over a C8 Corvette for the same price.

I think it has. If you're willing to deal with a waitlist, I believe you can get them (GTS) models for MSRP. https://www.718forum.com/forums/porsche-718-dealers-pricing-and-ordering.55/

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2147107&page=3 I see more and most posts (as well as advertisements from a well known BMW auto broker) about getting 5-6% off MSRP on G87 M2s. It makes it more challenging to justify the DH unless that comes down in price. I think my picks...

Any movement on the discounts for a DH?

The problem with this is that if you blow up a S58, you'll have to replace the turbos too and that will be a $30-40k bill. You might as well toss the car in a car shredder at that point.

I personally believe the Mustang looks better than the G87 M2 or the G80 M3. Again, I think the DH is an amazing car. It just needs to be far more competitive on price. Part of the reason why I monitor the Mustang forums is to see if 1. Ford increases production of the DH and 2. if there's...

I've watched that video before. You won't see a Model 3 on the track because EVs are banned at all the tracks within 300 miles of the DC metro area. And even if it could be faster than a G87 M2 for 1 or 2 laps, there's no way I'm paying $600+ in track entry fees for a weekend just to do 1 or 2...

In a straight line acceleration test, sure. But what skilled driver is buying a G87 M2 or DH just to drive in a straight line. Most EVs wouldn't even last a few laps on a track without significant performance/endurance compromises, let alone a track day. In fact, EVs are prohibited at most...

If you DIY, maintaining (not repairing) a daily driven BMW is about the same cost of any other car. The challenges are cost for major items, factory diagnostic software (ISTA), and special tools. Those items really drive up the cost of owning a BMW long term.

I wish they put the LT2 in the CT4-V Blackwing instead of that LF4. GM's Alpha platform is excellent.

This is the main problem. Otherwise the DH is an excellent vehicle. I would argue that if you're going to track your car in largely stock format, lease is the way to go. Those 36,000 miles will really be like 100,000+ street miles by the end of that lease.

I can't control how you interpret what you read but, fortunately, you have options. I primarily read/post on either the Pricing / Ordering sub-forum OR the comparison sub-forums.

Just use the "Ignore" feature or report my posts if you think it's a Terms of Service violation. We are going in circles at this point.

Are you allowed to be on a forum before you actually buy the car / while you're shopping? Or is forum membership only allowed after you make your purchase? @Mustang406 , I think he wants to "cancel" us... :crackup:

If you don't like what people are saying on the forums and it doesn't violate the Terms of Service, you're welcome to use the "Ignore" function.

I'm not bad-mouthing the DH by talking about it's pricing relative to the competition. If Ford undercut the M2's pricing with their DH by pricing it into the $50k-55k range and produced 100k/units per year like they did in 2015, they'd have a hands down winner. I wouldn't even consider the G87...

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?p=31660261#post31660261 Looks like the pricing for the G87 M2 is coming down in 2025. Some forum members have reported almost getting 10% off MSRP. This should make it harder and harder to justify a DH at MSRP.