Oil Air Separator Install

[DFB5.0]

Yeah agreed, I've tended to do separate orders. I'll buy local where it makes sense but not a lot of people stocking stuff at this stage. Shipping only gets taxed if the value of the goods is over 1000aud, then you get import fees, customs etc. If it's under it's only tax on the goods.

I hadn't seen the roush air intake thing. I'm not sure about air filters, was looking at the Think ones.

https://thinkautotech.com/products/2024-mustang-gt-air-intake-filters

There's a thread on here somewhere about them. Mostly the OEMs are good enough, don't want an oiled filter but like the ability to clean. I can see these filters getting pretty dirty with how exposed they are.

Yeah, I don't read much into the performance gains on air filters, be that power gains or the actual air filtering itself. I just like the look of the Rouch setup and the fact it keeps the filters covered and not exposed. Tickford are the only ones who seem to be intending on selling it, but they don't list a price or availability time frame, just a "Get A Quote" page.

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In my S550, I had an AEM Dry Flow (non-oiled) filter fitted, which was flat panel style filter. I'm not sure which one would be suitable for S650 though, they don't list one. Again, so slooooooow.

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[DFB5.0]

Ok, wow.............................................

2024 MUSTANG 5.0L AIR/OIL SEPARATOR KIT L & R - Herrod Performance

 

[DFB5.0]

So, price comparison between Herrod and Leviitown -

Leviitown - $591 + $190.86 shipping = $781.86 USD / $1187.48 AUD (basic conversion, import duty would be on top of that)

Herrod - $1150 AUD

 

[SnowyB]

That's interesting the price has gone up a bit more, not sure if it's shipping or what. But that's over 100 more than I paid landed for both Levittown and Herrod.

Another option.

https://www.themancavegarage.com.au...rue&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=57

This site didn't have any in stock when I ordered.

 

[DFB5.0]

That's interesting the price has gone up a bit more, not sure if it's shipping or what. But that's over 100 more than I paid landed for both Levittown and Herrod.

Another option.

https://www.themancavegarage.com.au...rue&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=57

This site didn't have any in stock when I ordered.

So, I'm currently browsing that website, why do they carry more FP parts and products over the "official" FP distributor?

 

[DFB5.0]

Very fast shipping from The Mancave Garage!

 

[5.0ALM]

Very fast shipping from The Mancave Garage!

Do us a favour?
Take a quick trip across to @bfets and run up some kMs so you can fast-track a report on how much oil was caught.

 

[DFB5.0]

Do us a favour?
Take a quick trip across to @bfets and run up some kMs so you can fast-track a report on how much oil was caught.

Well, I had one fitted to my S550, they work great. The following pics were after 7-months on the car. Just keep in mind I don't do a lot of km's, but when the car goes out, the engine gets a nice work out, which apparently produces more oil vapor! Also keep in mind that the new kit includes cans for both cylinder banks, not the single on FM and later FN S550.

You can empty these two ways, either removal of the entire unit off the car, or while still in place and removal of the screws which join the two halves in place. Just be VERY careful with the hardware if doing the later, it's not magnetized and won't stick to your driver, finding a replacement would be tricky.

Oil removal is dependent on how much is in there, either via syringe or soaking up with paper towels. I also wiped it clean with some mineral spirits afterwards.

This oil that would normally be deposited in the intake manifold is not the end of the world, but its also not doing the engine any favors being there. On a sealed intake manifold like the Coyote, you are less likely to notice this oil contamination. However, some engines are more prone to it than others, likewise being more detectable on two-piece manifolds as used in previous 5.4 BOSS V8's with their trumpet style manifold and plenum setup.

This video show what I'm talking about, from about the 2.10min mark.



Apologies to @SnowyB for hijacking your thread.

 

[SnowyB]

Well, I had one fitted to my S550, they work great. The following pics were after 7-months on the car. Just keep in mind I don't do a lot of km's, but when the car goes out, the engine gets a nice work out, which apparently produces more oil vapor! Also keep in mind that the new kit includes cans for both cylinder banks, not the single on FM and later FN S550.

You can empty these two ways, either removal of the entire unit off the car, or while still in place and removal of the screws which join the two halves in place. Just be VERY careful with the hardware if doing the later, it's not magnetized and won't stick to your driver, finding a replacement would be tricky.

Oil removal is dependent on how much is in there, either via syringe or soaking up with paper towels. I also wiped it clean with some mineral spirits afterwards.

This oil that would normally be deposited in the intake manifold is not the end of the world, but its also not doing the engine any favors being there. On a sealed intake manifold like the Coyote, you are less likely to notice this oil contamination. However, some engines are more prone to it than others, likewise being more detectable on two-piece manifolds as used in previous 5.4 BOSS V8's with their trumpet style manifold and plenum setup.

This video show what I'm talking about, from about the 2.10min mark.



Apologies to @SnowyB for hijacking your thread.

No stress. Thread is here to discuss oil separators etc.

I will say I find this new design much better to remove and empty the cans. Just disconnect, lift off the bracket and empty (tip it out, from the bottom half...). I only emptied my s550 twice. I almost cross threaded my previous one, they can be fiddly. But they were harder to remove.

I think with these direct injection engines it's better to keep oil etc out as much as you can.

 

[DFB5.0]

No stress. Thread is here to discuss oil separators etc.

I will say I find this new design much better to remove and empty the cans. Just disconnect, lift off the bracket and empty (tip it out, from the bottom half...). I only emptied my s550 twice. I almost cross threaded my previous one, they can be fiddly. But they were harder to remove.

I think with these direct injection engines it's better to keep oil etc out as much as you can.

With my install on the S550, I remember struggling with removing and installing the press-fit hardware that was used on existing holes in the rocker cover. That's why I chose to leave it in place to empty the can. So, its good to hear they new design is easily unclipped and lifted out.

When I was preparing the S550 for trade, I went ahead and opened up and drained the catch can. It nearly ended in tears because I also nearly cross threaded the final screw, which was hard to access due to the coolant line that runs over it.

I'm bummed I didn't remove the catch can off the old car, it seems the pre-2018 version will also fit the Miami-powered Falcon's. I only just discovered that, so looks like I'll have to buy another.

 

[DFB5.0]

I posted the following in my own thread, but felt it needed to be added here too..................................

Ford Performance Oil - Air Separator Kit Installation

One of the things I love about Mustang ownership is the huge aftermarket support for the car, allowing customers to tailor the car to their heart’s desire. Now, I normally don’t do aftermarket, so this is where Ford Performance comes into the equation. Ford recognizes the desire for high quality aftermarket parts, and so via Ford Performance, owners can buy and fit OEM quality parts without voiding warranty or looking tacky. To me, this means my car remains OEM looking, and without the janky fitment often found on aftermarket parts.

Like my previous Mustang, I’ve decided to fit a Ford Performance Oil/Air separator, or catch can. Now, there are countless aftermarket options in this space, some actually offer easier emptying via a screw-on cannister. But some of those also require butchering of the OEM hoses. So, I think you can see why I stuck with the OEM+ option here, it just fits as it should.

For S650, Ford Performance are selling this kit with a pair of catch cans, one for each cylinder bank. On earlier S550’s, only the left-hand bank was covered, although FP did offer a dual kit for Mach1 and Bullitt due to the removal of that hideous engine cover. Because of the dual cans and double the hose count, you are looking at twice the price. I was actually a little shocked by the price of this kit offered by local vendors, but once I had added shipping and currency conversion, then factored import duty, its no cheaper ordering from the USA directly.

2024 Ford Mustang GT, Dark Horse Catch Cans L & R | THE MANCAVE GARAGE
2024 MUSTANG 5.0L AIR/OIL SEPARATOR KIT L & R - Herrod Performance

Installation is easy, if someone with low mechanical confidence like me can do it, so can you. Each kit comes with a QR code that links you to the Ford Performance website, where you can then download the installation instructions. Word of warning for RHD customers, the instructions are orientated for LHD/US market cars, so take that into consideration when directed to work on the "passenger" side or "drivers" side. You will also notice differences in the pictures as the RHD cars have different placement of the battery and wiring harnesses. What you see in the following install should provide a better guide for RHD applications.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR M-XXXX-XXXX

Only basic tools are needed. I'd suggest a smaller 1/4-inch socket set, ratchet spanners and a torque wrench if you are super keen..............or super anal.....................I'll let you figure out which is me.

On S550, the catch can was attached to the rocker cover using push pins that clicked into two existing holes. On S650, the new throttle body arrangement means the catch cans need to be mounted on the body, which explains the two black painted steel brackets. Those two brackets are your starting point.

For the right-hand (driver) side, the bracket with two mounting points is used. You first need to remove the two 8mm fasteners from the grounding straps.

Using the two stud bolts supplied with the kit, install these in the same locations using a 13mm ratchet spanner. Ford suggest tightening to 12 Nm, but you will only have access to the lower stud for a torque wrench.

Next, wrangle the bracket onto the studs. I found it needed some slight persuasion to align the two bracket holes, which I suspect was due to the slight difference in RHD layout. Using the supplied 10mm nylock nuts, secure the bracket in place with a ratchet wrench. Ford suggest 10 Nm for these fasteners, but again, only the lower nut is accessible with a torque wrench.

(Apologies for this image, just couldn't get it right)

To fit the left-hand (passenger) side bracket, only one mounting point is used. First, you need to remove the wiring harness clip from the coolant tank stud. You may need to use angled pliers to help release this press-fit clip, it fought me a little.

The bracket is then slid over the stud and secured with the remaining 10mm nylock nut, again 10 Nm is the spec. On RHD cars, you will need to hold the wiring harness away with your finder to get the bracket in place and secure that nut, LHD cars don't have a harness here. You will also notice it orientates a specific way to straddle the coolant tank. I didn't photograph this, but you will see what I mean. I found a deep socket useful here, but a socket extension will work too.

With the brackets installed, you can now remove the factory PCV hoses. These are removed by pushing on the release tab and gently lifting off the spigots. Ford Performance recommend removing the engine cover to get access to the connection on the intake manifold. However, the strut tower brace makes this hard and rather than risk damaging it, I simply unclipped and raised the front of the cover enough to get access to the hose.

Right-hand rocker cover spigot -

Intake spigot -

OEM right-hand PCV hose -

The left-hand side hose is easily accessible and removed.

The following images will show the catch can slid down onto the mounting brackets prior to hose installation. You may find it easier to install the hoses first, then sliding the catch can into place, lining up the hoses as you go.

Each of the four supplied hoses are the same OEM grade as fitted on the production line and are perfectly molded for this application. No janky, ill-fitting hoses here. The hoses aren't interchangeable, but you will quickly understand which hose goes where.

For the line routing back to the intake manifold, make sure it goes under the existing rubber hose. Click the engine cover engine back in when you are done.

It's also worth going around and checking the catch can screws as mine required some additional torque to ensure tightness. You will need a T25 Torx bit for this.

From here, you are done!

Now, the elephant in the room.............are these catch cans necessary? I guess that depends on how long you intend on keeping the car and how particular you are. These catch cans stop oil vapor being deposited into the intake manifold. Some engines produce more of this oil vapor than others, especially engines that are often run at higher RPM's.............which is precisely the Mustang's MO. So, too me fitting these makes a lot of sense. On my previous car, despite only doing low kms, the engine often got a high RPM workout. The below was after 7-months....................

Not terrible, but also not something that needs to be captive in the one-piece intake manifold. If you covered more kms than me, you would likely have a lot more than that.

So, well worth doing if you intend on keeping the car longer term.

 

[xrs]

My kit arrived, Time for my installation

 

[xrs]

My separators are in. Interesting some oil in the old pipe love the factory look

 

[5.0ALM]

FYI....

Got an email from The man Cave during the week advising they have one more (yes, only one) catch can kit.
It's still available.

https://www.themancavegarage.com.au/product/2024-mustang-dark-horse-catch-can/827

Must be a small side hustle if they're only ordering in one at a time.

I want a definitive answer in writing if fitting one of these will affect the warranty at all.
Will ask when I take it in for the POMS (Piece of Mind Service).

 

[DFB5.0]

FYI....

Got an email from The man Cave during the week advising they have one more (yes, only one) catch can kit.
It's still available.

https://www.themancavegarage.com.au/product/2024-mustang-dark-horse-catch-can/827

Must be a small side hustle if they're only ordering in one at a time.

I want a definitive answer in writing if fitting one of these will affect the warranty at all.
Will ask when I take it in for the POMS (Piece of Mind Service).

You would be worried about warranty implications if it was an aftermarket part. However, these are from Ford Performance, which while fitted aftermarket, they are in fact Ford warranted parts with Ford branding.

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