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  1. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    You say nobody cares about aero improvements over 120MPH, then why should we care about an Alpha platform that's not being made? How many people can drive that Alpha platform at 10/10ths? You can't have it both ways. Nobody is disputing the Alpha platform doesn't perform better but every...
  2. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    Here is my conspiracy theory. Based on all we have seen and heard. First of all, a lot of people seem to quote the savagegeese review and ridicule the comment about the focus groups. However, the interesting part about that review to me was the engineer speaking about the mechanical...
  3. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I had no idea people were looking for these types of enhancements for the Mustang. That Dodge is 5800lbs. I will keep buying rear wheel manual ICE cars for as long as I can. I would take a Supra over any Hybrid AWD Mustang. Squaring off corners in a RWD. But I understand, my neighbor loves...
  4. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    The article on the GT350R pretty much echos what you are saying in comparing it to the Z28 with Trofeos. But we, can only go with the times we have regardless of tires. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15100053/ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-at-lightning-lap-2016-feature/ My question is why...
  5. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    Wow, AWD! Not being funny, but a lot of what you describe, besides the weight, is a Mach E GT so Ford has already given us a new chassis. Especially according to my neighbor. I wouldn't buy one but it is bad ass, he has a white one. I love the look of the S650 so I am biased. I "like" the...
  6. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    My S197 is almost 300lbs lighter than a GT350.
  7. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I have an S197 which is the best interior made on a Mustang. Sorry, not cross shopping a BMW with a Mustang. Plenty of Mach 1s on Autotrader at 5K under MSRP.
  8. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    Yea but if I am 27 years old, why do I care if the platform is 20 years old. It's new to me and I like it better than any other model. But I understand and respect that you want a total re-design. I am not pretending it's better than what it is though. 55K to 72K for a manual NA V8 RWD with...
  9. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I am not sure what people are expecting. The Mustang S550 platform is solid. Why blow it up? How much would Ford have to spend to do a clean sheet and hope it sells? The interior is not the same. I didn't like the S550 interior, the new tech is exactly one of the reasons I wanted an S650...
  10. What is your favorite things on your DH, list your top ten

    1. The way the V8 revs 2. Tremec 3. Steering/Handling 4. Blue Ember 5. Exterior Appearance 6. Acceleration Apps 7. Grabby Brakes 8. Different Drive Mode Screens 9. Stereo Sound 10. Ford Outdoor Cover
  11. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    From a customization stand point Ford knocked it out of the park with the S650. People are ordering stock cars that look awesome and are damn near unique. Raiti's Ride did a review of a yellow S650 with blue Calipers. No offence to anyone but that is a beautiful spec for a female. All these...
  12. Official: 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona (EV + ICE), Scat Pack, Daytona R/T Revealed! 670 Horsepower / 0-60mph in 3.3 Secs

    The Dark Horse is my limit for weight and I would still love to cut 150lbs off that. The Dodge is a cool car but I just can't imagine anything other than a straight line in this car. However, if you want a straight line Dodge has continued with a solid design. Personally if forced to go to EV...
  13. ZL1 >>>> to a GT or DH?

    Great thread. The ZL1 cabin is just too small/claustrophobic to me so it's not something I can drive. I love handling. When I got my 2006 GT all my first mods were suspension, power came much later. The DH is as fun to drive as cars that way 500 LBS less IMO. If you have time and a budget...
  14. Na

    Drawing your own personal line over how someone else spends money is senseless. Just my 2 cents.
  15. Na

    I was the first in line at my dealer. When the order books opened they told me 15K ADM. I said no way. I called about 20 dealerships and found one with a 5K ADM so I ordered it. Late last year when they told people to remove the handling pack I got curious and started looking on autotrader...
  16. Why is Mustang heavier?

    Yea the manual DH is about 200 lbs heavier than the GT350 and I think the brakes are similar size. However, I keep forgetting about these carbon wheels. My estimates put the DH Handling Pack wheels at about 33lbs. I thought the GT350R carbon wheels were less than 20lbs. On any account I am...
  17. Why is Mustang heavier?

    The Car and Driver Lighting lap video specifically called out the large brake rotors as adding weight. What is the driveshaft on these cars and will we be able to upgrade to aluminum or carbon fiber like past models?
  18. Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2024 - Dark Horse Mustang Results

    My take is that yes Ford has continued producing the V8 which is the bottom line here but they aren't investing any huge amount of money to replacing a chassis. Therefore, to make things better, you just add cheese. I also think a big part of the new generation is just the interior, which IMO...
  19. My Dark Horse finally arrived at dealer

    I'd be interested to hear your impressions of how the 10 speed performs. I am very impressed with how this Coyote revs and with a 10 speed it should be very spirited. You should be pulling those paddles every chance you get and letting that engine do its thing.
  20. My Dark Horse finally arrived at dealer

    You are gonna love it.





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