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  1. How much of the GT/DH power is actually usable by the everyday driver?

    Stonehauler…I would not worry about the 500 or more so 430 rwhp the Mustang makes because of the relatively low torque numbers , tall gearing and weight it feels pretty tame ! 500 hp in a Z06 was too much because the car had torque and no traction and was no fun because of imminent snap...
  2. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I am not a Challenger guy as I like all cars that are fun to drive practical and still barely affordable like Mustangs , (Camaros) , (Challengers) , BMWs and Porsches and even the Audi inline 5s because they sound great and AMG V8’s 👍 As such I share the sentiment with the original poster and...
  3. Challenger or S650

    I like the short gears in the Challenger a lot because you actually get to shift and feel power and TORQUE while you still are at legal speeds…The Camaro and even more the Mustang are too tall geared for my liking which makes them feel less powerful at speeds below 100…IMHO As for the wheel...
  4. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    Of course drag racing the C8 is faster then the DH…More weight over the rear tires and shorter gearing…The M3/4 competition is faster than both ! But I was thinking about fun and everyday practicality and here I would decide V8 sound and manual vs nicer interior and more practicality , stronger...
  5. Rev Match Does Not Rev High Enough

    @ GrabberGundam…A lot of reviewers reported the same that rev match on the DH is hit or miss which can be dangerous and you can spin the car when going hard into a turn and the back wheels slowing too much…I loved rev match on my Camaro and miss it on my Challenger 🤣
  6. How much of the GT/DH power is actually usable by the everyday driver?

    I would say around 500 hp is what a front engine rwd car can put safely to the ground…Exception was the C6Z06 that tried to swap ends…😳 A rear engine 911 can probably take another 100 hp…A good example is a Challenger WB with 485 hp that can put its power down with 305 tires safely…A Hellcat...
  7. Dark Horse Handling Pack - With or without and why?

    I would not get the handling package unless you buy the car as a track toy…Reason is the wide Trofeos will tramline , wear quick/$$$ and wont be fun on colders days and dangerous in the rain !
  8. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I hope Ford will do something about it as the Mustang is the only game left not only for Ford guys but also for Chevy or Dodge guys since the Camaro is dead and the 2 door Charger as a Challenger replacement will go where BMW is already…Inline-6 Biturbo AWD with fwd disconnect…With Fords recalls...
  9. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    Also another thing about the Vette when I had my Z06 a $20 rear main seal blew and it became a $4K repair because the whole drivetrain has to be divorced from the car including exhaust and suspension because of the transaxle/torque tube design where the bearings inside can go bad too.The C8 does...
  10. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    If a guy only cross shops a DH or C8 I definitely would go Mustang because the Corvette does not feel like a sports car but more like a 2 seat luxury cruiser with the first nice interior GM has ever made…But the engine has no revvyness towards the redline but feels flat and no manual and it is...
  11. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    If you want to track a car l would look at new M2 as it has great power for long straights and it is playful , SS1LE same engine but not that dreaded snap oversteer of a Vette or even if you have the money for a 911 GT3 or Carrera S or GTS…Fun and great dailies even in wet or snowy conditions...
  12. Challenger or S650

    What most people dont realize is that the Widebody option transformed the Challenger…OK it is still a couple fat guys heavier than gen 6 Camaro or S650 Mustang but on the street this means nothing as the huge wave of Torque in combination with the short gearing with the Tremec 6060 and the fact...
  13. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    Only reason for a automatic is a) you got only one leg or b) you go drag racing…Otherwise a good manual and clutch is way more fun than any automatic be it dual clutch or torque convertor ! Especially a sports car is way more fun with a manual 👍
  14. Love the car, but I have 2 big disappointments

    These screens are cheap to make for the manufacturers and people buy them because they are used to them from their phones but in cars I find them very distracting and I think manufacturers should make them touch free…Have a button or joystick to operate them to keep scratches and greasy paw...
  15. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    The Mach E is everything but a success…Ford dropped the price by over 10 grand and still no takers…I dont blame them.As for the S650 I find it disingenuous by Ford to call it a new car or new generation where it basically is the old S550 with tablets instead of gauges in the interior…That is why...
  16. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    I think if Ford wont/cant spend $$$ on a new Mustang they should update the current one with a 5.8 Coyote , some knobs you can push and turn to keep the paw prints off the screen and some more comfortable electric adjustable Recaros and with the Tremec included sell it as a 5.8 GT/R or 351 Boss...
  17. Cross shopping Dark Horse with C8/M4

    C8 , M4 or DH is pretty easy…🤣 The C8 is out because it is a boring car more like a Buick Reatta or Cadillac Allante a cruiser with automatic transmission…The DH I have not driven but a S550 Mach 1 which should be pretty close as also the M4 with the ugly front I really like because you stand...
  18. Challenger or S650

    I chose the Challenger 6.4 Widebody with Tremec 6-spd over the S650 or Camaro or C7,8 Vette for following reason(s)…Looks;Nothing has more presence on the road or looks better than a Challenger Widebody ! The 392 Hemi revs and has Torque everywhere and actually has enough tire to actually put...
  19. Official: 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona (EV + ICE), Scat Pack, Daytona R/T Revealed! 670 Horsepower / 0-60mph in 3.3 Secs

    I think the 4 door Charger looks very good but the interior is meh…The 2 door Charger looks only half a good as the Challenger Widebody but I love the practical hatchback on both 👍 Electric wont sell and inline-6 turbo with AWD will be faster than a Hellcat on real roads but unfortunately not as...
  20. I got to drive a S650 for the first time recently.. I'm underwhelmed

    They wasted a lot of money on the Mach-E and F150 Lightning so I hope they learned their lesson and put some money into a bigger bore Coyote and new chassis that also sheds some weight to give us something more exciting to look forward to ! With the Camaro and Challenger gone the market should...





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