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Exactly. Zack expects me to have less resistance to giving up my '08 GT or any other ICE-powered car I might ever own than he's entitled to when it comes to possibly giving up his 429 Mustang. IOW, you get to do as I say but not as I'd do if it was my car that had to go. Norm

Being a 'realist' doesn't mean you have to be as ready to throw in the towel on ICEs as a fairly strong pro-EV stance tends to suggest. Norm

What if those advantages don't matter to you in your driving? You'd be deciding against EVs from a point of understanding something about the EVs and something about yourself. That's not the same thing as a closed mind. Norm

Probably true, though roll moment also depends on suspension geometry and the geometric roll centers / front view instant center locations. I realize that many people consider roll to inherently be a bad thing. But that's too simplistic of a view, and I strongly suspect fostered by the average...

Would you gladly trade your 1970 429 Mustang in on an EV Mustang? That's basically the same thing. It's in large part a matter of finding what you like and why you like it. When you've satisfied yourself all around that you've come to a very good place, why would you give that all up just to...

Thanks - I'll have to give it a look later today. I think stepping back from this particular thread a bit before I do watch it would be a good idea. Norm

I can tell you that those things aren't relevant to any of my driving. While I use lots of WOT when I'm out on a road course, that's mostly confined to speeds of 60 mph and up. At slower speeds I'll either be in a corner where I can't use full power or on the street where I don't use it all...

I guess that's where we differ, and we may eventually just have to agree to disagree. But I think you have to first live through a situation where something about cars that you strongly prefer has been taken away from you before you can fully understand the level of resistance you might have to...

Greg - my hearing isn't all that great any more and I find it to be quite difficult to learn much at a speaker's pace without notes or at least a hint about what's to follow. Typically, videographers run through the stuff I'm truly interested in far to quickly, and rattle on forever about...

It's not arrogance for an individual to speak up for what matters to him. Arrogance would be something else, perhaps more like people telling other people they either need to learn to like something or it'll be forced on them anyway . . . Care to explain? Times may be different, people not so...

And you don't see somebody else's decision to take ICE-powered cars out of your future as a problem? Right now, the Mustang the only vehicle Ford makes that isn't a truck or an SUV or a CUV, meaning that it's already going it alone. Norm

Exactly. So tell me how a swap from ICE to EV being a good solution for those drivers amounts to being a comparably good solution for everybody who is interested in cars. Norm

Even if EVs must become the norm, using that as an excuse to eliminate relatively low production ICE models amounts to over-reach. The amount of sought-for benefits aren't going to be there - eliminating all the Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, Porsches, etc., etc., isn't going to make any...

I don't think that's it at all. I do think it's because Americans are less tolerant of having other people tell them what they can and cannot do, and how to live their lives. If I'm remembering my history somewhere near accurately, that attitude is behind how we ended up NOT being part of the...

Corvette and T-bird are really further up-market than any of the small sedans that evolved into ponycars. By the early 1960s the T-bird was already settled into its role as the personal-luxury Ford. Corvair never was a ponycar, and earned itself a lot of baggage (not all of which was...

This, exactly. Think "contrary to established convention". Norm

In the overall scheme of things it really doesn't matter how soon 20% is reached. What probably is important is that even triple that is still a long way from 100%. And current purchase rates suggests (rather strongly, I suspect) that 54% could actually represent an asymptotic limit based on...

You're forgetting that even the 1965 Mustang was also available with a 260 CID V8 and with fastback styling. Definitely 'sporty' at a time when the average compact and intermediate cars were essentially smaller (and more lightly equipped) versions of each make's larger cars. Your "secretary"...

It's not exactly an exemption, but larger vehicles do get a break or two specifically because they are larger. That "logic" is exactly backward if the overall intention of legislation and other rulemaking is to truly reduce pollution and overall fuel consumption. Bigger vehicles need to be...

Happening does not guarantee meeting such an absolute goal. I'm not saying they might not meet such a goal. But everybody who would like to see that happen needs to at least accept the possibility that said goal might not be met on its current schedule. Maybe not fully completely ever, if for...