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I think it's unlikely even a fully equipped Dark Horse will cost $70K, but in any case, that's why I said "comparably equipped". Even a base, stripper 2024 Mustang GT will likely have more features, inside and out, and better performance in a straight line AND on a track than even a fully loaded...

I suppose that's fair enough, but I was assuming we were talking exclusively about new cars for the purposes of the argument I was making. (I highly doubt you'll be able to get a 2015+ GT in halfway decent condition for $40K less than a comparably equipped 2024, though. Let alone $50K. I think...

In a straight line, at comparable prices, EVs are going to be faster than ICE cars from here on out. That's just the world we live in now, and no amount of bitching about pricing or HP numbers will change that. So that Tesla is just not a fair comparison... But if you want to compare road course...

The other thing @Grintch is failing to take into consideration is inflation. His $32K in 2015 is not worth much less than that $41K in 2024.

I'll reiterate that the power numbers are just getting silly these days... It's unusable on the street in most situations, and I know most buyers don't go to the track. And in a time when ICE cars are slowly getting neutered, and often LOSING power between generations, it's pretty hard to...

I mean I'm no Luddite. I even use Google voice assistants in my home. And I work in tech, so I'm pretty familiar with some of what these companies gather on us. All that to say that, while I agree it's pretty scary what kind of information of ours is floating around thanks to much of this...

People have been disappointed? Man, the reasons to not engage in speculative debates on forums just keep growing for me as I get older... 486 is actually more than I expected out of the "regular" GT's 5.0. The 500 in the Dark Horse is pretty reasonable, and I think basically what we were told...

Oh, I missed that it has carbon fiber wheels, that's pretty cool... I figured that kinda thing would remain exclusive to top trim Shelby models. The Dark Horse seems pretty sweet, but I'm still waiting for more info and pricing. I have my reservations about the lack of buttons on the interior...

22 Mach 1 and already looking for a Dark Horse??? You get bored quickly, I take it? 😹

You don't have any option for the people who want to pay more than $10K over MSRP!???

While I'd probably count myself among the people that don't really care that much, it is nice when the key fob lives up to how special the car is... If nothing else, it's a conversation piece, but when you think about it, you probably spend more time with the key fob than you do with the car...

I'm glad it doesn't have the silly cross-drilled rotors like on the GT350, too... though I wouldn't mind slotted.

I still don't love the plastic bits around the headlights, but looks good otherwise. Also, excuse my ignorance, but is it just me or do the hubs look different on this car than I've seen on any 6th gen 'Stang? I know I've seen that kind of hub before... Does that indicate 2-piece rotors? That a...

They look just like the wheels that you can optionally get on the outgoing Mach 1 and that came with the old PP2. IMO, aesthetically, they're the best wheels that ever came with the 6th gen 'Stang from the factory. I guess you either disagree, or don't like how they look on this car... or you're...

I feel you, but I think you're missing a bit of both ends of the spectrum. I think even if you DO race your car, you don't necessarily need tons more power than stock these days. Incidentally, it was only after I started tracking my car that I stopped drooling over the idea of having a blown V8...

Still not sure about the base GT (although I don't really love the base GT in the current gen, either, in certain configurations), but these Dark Horse trims look gorgeous... I hope the name doesn't imply that they have to be purchased in lame, boring dark paint colors, though (forgive my...

I feel like enough of us on this forum have been around long enough to know that nobody (ourselves included) is ever capable of properly judging how we feel about a car's appearance right after it's officially revealed. EVERYbody hates new models on day one, but 90% of the time, it grows on...

I'm sure someone has brought this up by now, but... that's a really short refresh cycle, isn't it?

Can you remind me who raised these terrible millennial generation? I forget.

I'm guessing these plans were set in motion ages ago. Good move by Ford. And there's no sense complaining, guys, it's only a matter of a couple decades before sports cars no longer even exist and cars are all driving themselves. Enjoy your manual V8's while you can.