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M2 comes with a stick now. So does the base M3 and M4.

Id bet the dark horse starts around $67k

and then those parts will be a lot more expensive than they would be when installed from the factory. The parts get subsidized from the supplier to Ford due to being purchased in bulk. You are in a very very small audience of people who want a stripped down car. Ford would lose massive...

Then only about 5 people would buy it

Fords net profit margin is around 4% average. This is how much ford makes after a vehicle is produced and then sold to a dealer for their inventory. You are correct when you assumed a dealer makes about 10-15% which includes the 3-3.5% hold back. What a dealer charges for a car, ford does not...

The all wheel drive m3 competition has been tested 0-60 at 3.0 seconds. BMW underrates badly. They also dyno around 500whp.

Have you ever been on a shareholder call? That is the figure that they state as their average margin. Their target is 10.

M4 isn't really a competitor to the GT anyway, the M440i is, and that I can see it being relatively close in price with a GT, with the M440i being slightly more expensive.

Actually Ajay Bhatt created USB.

The S650 GT won't be near M4 pricing, it may be similar to M440i pricing though, since they are similar performance competitors. M4 is an analog to the GT500.

They're usually two different things. Sport shifting in most vehicles means the car will shift faster, more aggressively, and at a higher designated RPM. Manual mode typically means the trans won't shift until the user gives it some form of input.

There is an obvious material quality difference between a G80/G82 and everything Ford puts out. The real competitive analog to the S550 Mustang GT and Mach 1, is a M440i. I spent $100k for my GT500 CFTP and $100k for my G82 M4. The GT500 still feels like a $35,000 car on the inside.

Agreed, as I said above, the S650 is Ford's way of attempting to make the Mustang into a 4 Series BMW.

There's no insult, go back and re-read. when you say price in one sentence, and the next you cop out and give a vague excuse of experience, and then compare the vehicles. Any reasonable person can say "they most likely were not in your budget". To say those German coupes lack an experience...

Your comment of, they do not offer more of an experience is incorrect. but you are right, the M4 is really more of a GT500 competitor. Owning both, it is definitely a comparison I can make.

Yet, they meet the exact configuration of a pony car and have been called as such. How are they different?

Going to have to disagree, they look less like their lesser counterparts, than a Mach 1 looks like a GT. As far as the experience? Let's just put it out there, they were out of your budget.

It's a way for Ford to cut out the dealer and make a 10% margin, which today they are around 4-4.4%, and still get the car to the consumer at a lower price.

That does not make you qualified. Let's face it, the 7th Gen Mustang is trying to become a 4 Series BMW.

Wasn't the take rate for the 2018+ cars for the manual the lowest it has been in several generations?